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That isnt true. The larger picture tells me that this is a referendum on the War Powers Act and the people of this country don't even know it. Vietnam and Iraq are "debacles" because Congress abdicated it's responsibility so when the going gets tough it falls on the executive. Further, it falls on the executive branch to determine national priorities. It's the ultimate weaseling out for Congress and the ultimate loss for our nation.

sorry, I hit post prematurely.

Congress is full of weak as water pussies. I agree that legally and legislatively you may be right, but this affects the soul of the country. Vietnam and Watergate hang over this country like two swords of Damacles.

When the soul shifts, we may get people in that will change the root problems, but as is the soul is conflicted. General propaganda blames conservatives for Vietnam, and God knows conservatives pulled Watergate.

My point is that this election and the war against terror and islamofachism is in front of a new generation. (I include people who could not think for themselves in the 60's in this new generation) The fight is over whether the antiwar movement during Vietnam was patriotic or treasonous.

With the advent of technologies allowing bypassing of the propagandists (MSM) the brainwashing of the Vietnam era can not happen again, and the misguided of the 60's are reforming their world views. Fox, if you add up cable and broadcast had about 13 or 14 million viewers for the first debate. Why? There is a serious shift in the populace towards coming to their own conclusions from reasonably unbiased sources, and preferring a conservative commentary. Was it 9/11? Well, to me, it looks like it started even before that.

LesbianThespian (love the handle) I agree with all that you say, my fear is that people will miss the point of the problem and Bush will lose because Congress if full of lilly livered pussies who give the Executive the power to declare war and then turn on them when the going gets tough.

In my opinion, this is the root cause of Somalia, Vietnam, Iraq and our weakening position overseas. It is the cause of the gradual rise of terror. Because we as a nation have not been forced, through the political processes the CONSTITUTION put in place, to form a collective backbone we are at the mercy of fragmented spineless partisans who could give a shit about this country and care only about playing to their respective politcal base. None of them are accountable, so we throw out Presidents and Congress gets to walk away clean.

Bush is in real danger of losing this race because people think he ALONE got us into this war. And wimps like Kerry can says idiotic things like, "I gave him the authority it's HIS fault that he used it and then f---ed it up." When as you know that is complete and utter BS. But he can get away with that line of weaselling because technically people can see it as true.

So, Bush could lose is my point because Congress will turn on him when the going gets tough in a war they gave him the authority to fight. The constitution had it right: LET CONGRESS DECLARE WAR, then you have the entire will of the American public behind you because Congress then cant go back to their consitutuents and then blame it anyone else.

This country is lost, imo, and I blame the War Powers Act. It's simplistic but Occam's razor, I say. The simplist answer in this case IS the answer.

By the way, it was the REPUBLICANS who got us OUT of Vietnam and the Democrats who not only got us in but lacked the political will to actually fight. How Nixon got the bum rap on losing Vietnam is completely beyond me. It was Lydon Baines Johnson and his administration who lost that war and such "useful idiots" as John Kerry who just helped them along.

The left loves failure. The only reason they are so intent on winning this election is so that they can make SURE America fails in Iraq. Why do you think they are so in love with the UN?