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DRUDGE: NEWSWEEK POLL: BUSH LEAD GONE (Registered voters, not likely voters polled)
Drudge ^ | 10/02/04 | DRUDGE REPORT

Posted on 10/02/2004 1:45:56 PM PDT by tsmith130

Edited on 10/02/2004 2:53:28 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

NEWSWEEK POLL: BUSH LEAD GONE
Sat Oct 02 2004 16:42:32 ET

   New York-Sixty-one percent of Americans who watched the first presidential debate on September 30 say Sen. John Kerry won; 19 percent say President George W. Bush won and 16 percent say they tied, according to the latest Newsweek Poll which was conducted after the debate ended. Fifty-six percent say Kerry did better than they expected; 11 percent say so for Bush. Thirty-eight percent say Bush did worse than expected;  3 percent say so for Kerry, the poll shows.

        The debate erased the lead the Bush/Cheney ticket has held over Kerry/Edwards in the Newsweek Poll since the Republican convention. In a three-way trial heat including Ralph Nader/Peter Camejo, among registered voters Kerry/Edwards leads Bush/Cheney 47 percent v. 45 percent with 2 percent for Nader/Camejo. In a two-way heat, Kerry/Edwards leads 49 percent v. 46 percent for Bush/Cheney, the poll shows.

        A 62-percent majority of viewers says Kerry seemed more confident and self-assured (26% say so for Bush) and 51 percent say Kerry had better command of issues and facts (37% for Bush). Forty-seven percent say Kerry seemed more personally likeable (41 % for Bush) and 49 percent say Kerry came closer to reflecting their own views on most foreign policy issues (43% for Bush). The two were nearly even on several other points, including who came across as a strong leader (47% Kerry, 44% Bush) and who had a better plan for dealing with the situation in Iraq (45% for both). Forty percent of viewers thought Kerry was too wordy and 57 percent thought Bush was too repetitive.

        Fifty-seven percent of all poll respondents say they are dissatisfied with the way things are going in the United States at this time. Bush's job approval rating dropped two points from the Sept. 9-10 Newsweek Poll to 46 percent-a 6-point drop since the poll taken during and after the Republican convention. Forty-eight percent of registered voters polled say they would not like to see Bush re-elected but almost as many (46%) say they would.

Excerpt, the rest of the article is here: NEWSWEEK POLL: BUSH LEAD GONE


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: allahsaysvotedem; baloney; bushbounce; firstdebate; fraudpoll; globaltest; napalminthemorning; newspeak; newsweak; polls; theythinkwerepuppets; totalbs; yeahright
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To: stockstrader

" . . . their bias should be the same in both polls."

You're such an innocent. If they're willing to bias their polls, in other words, to make them deliberately misleading, then that means they're willing to lie. If one is willing to lie, doesn't it make sense then to use those lies to ACCOMPLISH something? It's much more effective to play with the results in such a way that public opinion is manipulated. By overstating the Bush lead after the Republican convention, and making it disappear altogether now, they can create the impression that the momentum has completely shifted away from Bush and towards Kerry. The big MO, you know. If you're a stocktrader in real life, you should know the drill-- the analysts hype a stock beyond all rational basis, then all bail at once. Some people make a killing, but most people get screwed, and neither the overly rosy view nor the overly gloomy view was ever a fair representation of reality.

The moral of the story is, never trust a liar. Even if they're telling you what you want to hear. Liars lie.


661 posted on 10/02/2004 4:42:37 PM PDT by walden
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To: Darkwolf377

I believe Bush won the debate.


662 posted on 10/02/2004 4:43:35 PM PDT by rushmom
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To: ohioWfan; All
Whooohooo! You go girl!!!

I'll keep my eyes out for you in the news and yell to my girls when you're on (we gathered around last night to look at the pics on your homepage). They'll be so excited to see you!


If you need a visual refresher of what we're fighting for, check out ohioWfan's/name...you'll feel better!
663 posted on 10/02/2004 4:43:43 PM PDT by califamily4W (One nation under God...!)
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To: cardinal4
I also believe that hardly anyone will change their mind based on the debates. I cant imagine someone saying, "I know Kerry lied about VietNam and has done nothing in the Senate for 20 years, but he looked so good at the debate, Im voting for Kerry!"

Exactly, exactly, EXACTLY!

(Besides which, Kerry looked like a corpse at the debate. ;o)

664 posted on 10/02/2004 4:44:20 PM PDT by ohioWfan (BUSH 2004 -Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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To: sneakers

That's exactly how I feel about W. I always pick good men. I picked my hubby out of three choices. I trust my instinct on picking winners. I pick W.


665 posted on 10/02/2004 4:44:43 PM PDT by processing please hold
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To: All

if we think long and hard enough, there are probably some questions that Senator Kerry has answered properly. In fact, without a doubt, the most profound thing he's ever said in his life is "I do."

Twice.


666 posted on 10/02/2004 4:45:27 PM PDT by sourdoughAK
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To: Warren_Piece
I've been checking the sign on dates of some of these losers too, and it IS weird that some of them seem to have been hanging around for a year or two just to post their doom and gloom now.

Methinks their lives are lacking something significant.........

667 posted on 10/02/2004 4:46:38 PM PDT by ohioWfan (BUSH 2004 -Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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To: AWestCoaster

Louisiana is Bush country. No if's and's or but's.


668 posted on 10/02/2004 4:46:51 PM PDT by processing please hold
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To: ohioWfan

Alot of new names, for sure.
The place seems occupied by others, to me.


669 posted on 10/02/2004 4:47:58 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: pbrown

Alaska will overwhelmingly support Bush - no doubts up here!


670 posted on 10/02/2004 4:48:02 PM PDT by sourdoughAK
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To: pbrown

pbrown, you're a great American.


671 posted on 10/02/2004 4:48:21 PM PDT by rushmom
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To: MichelleWSC
I have a grip thank you -- on reality. Let's face facts and stop deluding ourselves here. Bush has left himself open for slaughter and repeating the same tired lines at pep rallies isn't going to work. He's preaching to the choir at these events. It's not his base he needs to worry about.

You're one of the few others here, beside me, that is willing to face reality at the risk of being flamed. The rest are being Pollyannas. W. blew a golden opportunity to nail to bury Kerry (and I don't know whether to laugh out loud or shake my head in disgust at those people who think that W. flubbed the debate on purpose as some kind of "strategy"--WTF?!), an opportunity that won't come along again. From here on in it's going to be trench warfare.

672 posted on 10/02/2004 4:48:58 PM PDT by gop_gene
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To: small voice in the wilderness
Please don't sully this forum with good news. The doomed villagers have their torches lit, and there's no turning back!

LOL!

673 posted on 10/02/2004 4:49:24 PM PDT by valleygal
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After poking around the net I am convinced this poll is an outlier. Remember that Bush's post-convention outlier had him up over ten points, while this has Kerry up but within the margin of error? Even by the most liberal standard, that's not terribly great for Kerry.

This is what I'm thinking now: Bush knows he has to whomp Kerry in the next debate, and he will show up in much better shape...AND he will reference of the whoppers Kerry said in the first debate. Such as "My opponent believes in a Global Consensus on self-defense, but I don't know of too many parents who'd look for outside voices when it comes to defending their kids" or something. I think we will hear many of the things brought up in the first debate repeated here and there in this one.

After looking at Rasmussen, ABC, CBS (yeah, I know), Gallup, I'm convinced this Newsweek poll is a mess, like their others. Discount this ONE poll and Bush is ahead.

674 posted on 10/02/2004 4:49:32 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: tsmith130

Rasmussen Reports says:

Six percent (6%) of voters say the debate changed their mind about how they will vote this November. This includes 3% who now say they will vote for Kerry, 2% for Bush, and 1% who are now undecided.

One interesting twist is that 64% of Kerry voters now say that Presidential Debates are very important. However, only 23% of Bush voters share that view.


675 posted on 10/02/2004 4:50:09 PM PDT by Linda Sandoval (Hockeymom for Bush)
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To: rushmom
If you go behind the headlines and media spin, you'll see that your intuitive "take" is dead-on accurate.

The same polls that indicate Ketchup Boy "won" the debate also say Bush climbed a point or two in "trustworthiness" and "leadership".

That's the female vote. Most women who have their stuff together see a mealy-mouth almost-man like Kerry and go "been there, done that, paid the price and never again".

Kerry is every man who pathologically lies (Clinton, to my amazement somehow slipped thru the cracks) to women. That's why he's getting smoked November 2.
676 posted on 10/02/2004 4:50:14 PM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: gabby hayes

I believe you're on the wrong website.


677 posted on 10/02/2004 4:51:04 PM PDT by rushmom
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To: Tooters

I was on the debate thread. It was, indeed, sad.


678 posted on 10/02/2004 4:51:07 PM PDT by valleygal
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To: califamily4W
ONE of the MANY reasons I believe President Bush will win BIG on November 2nd.

He is MAGNIFICENT in speech and demeanor with REAL people (not dead ones like Kerry).

I KNOW, because I am IN this picture (with my husband and one of our sons......see if you can find us ;o).

WOW!!! He is AMAZING!


679 posted on 10/02/2004 4:51:41 PM PDT by ohioWfan (BUSH 2004 -Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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To: rushmom

Thank you rushmom. I have a family I love. Kerry doesn't love my family. But I see W does. I put all of their lives in his hands to protect. Kerry would have me put them in the hands of France or the U.N.


680 posted on 10/02/2004 4:53:07 PM PDT by processing please hold
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