really, Fred ?...ya think ???
I still say this was a bold smart move on the Presidents part... Just let Kerry talk enough and he will double talk... Fred Barnes article is right on the money... The debate in a nutshell:
Kerry: Waffling, indecisive, flip-flop, double talk, politician.
Bush: Decisive, convinced, convicted, steadfast, leader, human.
so who really won?
"The other contradiction involved something Kerry called the "global test" that must be passed before taking preemptive military action against an enemy. Kerry insisted he would never allow another country to have veto power over any national security decision affecting America. But he said preemption was proper only when you pass "the global test where your countrymen, your people understand fully why you're doing what you're doing and you can prove it to the world that you did it for legitimate reasons." Kerry made no attempt to explain this contradiction."
Kerry is spinning this one now....He knows this one is a new one to hit him with..He complains he has been misunderstood.
Kerry got the questions beforehand. Look at the transcript.
At one point he says to Lehrer, "I understand we'll be discussing homeland security later."
How did he know that?
only when you pass the global testHere's a picture of Kofi Annan delivering the Ninth Heinz Distinguished Lecture at the University of Pittsburgh. Kofi took the opportunity to criticize President Bush. You can see the enlarged flags for UPitt, Heinz and the UN on the screen behind Kofi.
I wonder if those UPitt students who attended the lecture passed Kofi's Global Test afterwards.
Kerry seems to have alot of plans.
Just like a 45-rpm Juke box, you put your quarter in Kerry, make a selection, and out comes a plan. And just like a typical '45, Kerry's song/plan is a sound-bitish phrase that on the surface sounds good, but upon any deeper reflection has no meaning, and conflicts with most of his other songs.
Posted by LZ_Bayonet to Conservative til I die On News/Activism 10/01/2004 1:17:19 PM PDT · 87 of 153
"Bush stunk up the joint last night. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid. He was awful and at times, looked like he wasn't sure what he was going to say next."
He looked like he wasn't sure what he was going to say next because Bush's plan was that the debate wasn't about Bush (why give the Dems anything new, everybody knows Bush), or Kerry's record (who could possible remember and cite all the past flip-flops). Bush's plan centered on making Kerry comfortable enough to say NEW stupid stuff and flip-flops and lies that could be, researched by others, cited now, discussed by the media, and used until the election. Your man Kerry got hustled. Bush just stuck to his same solid talking points and kept it low key and only challenged on solid points. And Kerry got a big head, like the arrogant do, and Kerry got comfortable and shot off his mouth about "the global test" and "cutting" as part of his Iraq plan and assorted other flip-flops. Now, post debate, your boy Kerry is getting cut to pieces over his new flip-flops, and the "global" thing (the only time Bush just HAD to depart from the plan and attack, as it was just too illustrative of Kerry's "America Last" stance to pass up).
Good question, Fred.
Get it got it good. LOL so many worry warts today.
It wouldn't be so bad if Bush lost the debate in a fair fight.
But he was sent up to the podium over-tired and under-prepped.
Bush was set up.
The goddamn campaign manager set him up.
"Hey I've got a bright idea, lets give uranium to Iran"
J. Kerry
2004 Presidential Debate