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Raid on Bigley's brother ["Caged" video faked?]
The Daily Telegraph [UK] ^ | October 2, 2004 | By Jack Fairweather in Baghdad

Posted on 10/01/2004 7:20:07 PM PDT by aculeus

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To: nopardons
perhaps he peached on the Americans,he was taken as well,to make it look "legit",and he really is NOT a hostage at all

I started wondering about that a few days back but it seemed too outrageous a theory to put into words at that point. But... there was some kind of betrayal somewhere as the original articles mentioned that the three men usually had a hired security detail that didn't show up that night. It's not that much farther of a stretch that Bigley was the mole and not the security guard.

Another thing that supports the theory is the weird case of the leftist terrorist-adoring Simonas... their situation is very fishy, too.

81 posted on 10/01/2004 9:31:33 PM PDT by Tamzee (Ted Koppel --- "....the media will need a stepstool to rise to the level of used car salesmen.")
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To: Kylie_04; All

Of course they not going kill the French only Americans

It known fact according to Fox news German and French companies help Enable Saddam regime if Fox news was right today


82 posted on 10/01/2004 9:32:15 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("Not everybody , in it, for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: prairiebreeze; Mo1
Whew! Well we knew the jihadist play the media like a finely tuned fiddle. Maybe this will open a few eyes if it's true.

If the story undermined the WOT effort, you can be sure Dan Rather will be the first one to "break the news" and report it.

83 posted on 10/01/2004 9:33:11 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Real gun control is - all shots inside the ten ring)
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To: DaveMSmith

The article about the French hostages being "protected" by resistance fighters from the evil US ARMY is beyond bizarre. These people want to hurt Bush, disgrace America, and are insane.


84 posted on 10/01/2004 9:34:01 PM PDT by Shqipo (The gloves are on and the corners are empty.)
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To: prairiebreeze
Remember the story of the Korean girl that was kidnapped??
85 posted on 10/01/2004 9:34:56 PM PDT by Mo1 (Why is the MSM calling the Vietnam Vets and POW's a suspected group??)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

I won't hold my breath .. Uncle Walter taught Danny everything he knows


86 posted on 10/01/2004 9:36:04 PM PDT by Mo1 (Why is the MSM calling the Vietnam Vets and POW's a suspected group??)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Actually I think Rather and crew would lean toward protecting any leftist-willing-kidnap-victims-for-propaganda-use idiots by giving them cover.


87 posted on 10/01/2004 9:36:47 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (The Democrat Party has become a national embarrassment!)
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To: Mo1

Yeah.....sort of. Turned out to be a hoax, right? She was a sympathizer or peacenik??


88 posted on 10/01/2004 9:38:15 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (The Democrat Party has become a national embarrassment!)
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To: Mo1

Whatever happend to that punk hoaxster from California that faked his beheading with a webcam and internet connection? Was it ever learned he was part of this group?


89 posted on 10/01/2004 9:42:10 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Real gun control is - all shots inside the ten ring)
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To: Tamsey; prairiebreeze; nopardons; StillProud2BeFree; All
There was controversy about the Nick Berg beheading video. I watched it; but i couldn't watch it correctly.

There was some theories that he was dead before being beheaded, there was input from some that said the blood spray was not consistent with a live beheading. And StillProud, wasn't there something about the movie looking spliced? Or the timing off?

I couldn't view it for those types of details. I'm not hardened enough to look past the shock and awe.
Michael Moore interviewed Nick Berg before he left for Iraq. He is sitting on that tape.
Just adding 2 cents for this latest Bigley thought.
90 posted on 10/01/2004 9:42:10 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: prairiebreeze

Oh no doubt the MSM would protect the leftist-willing-kidnap-victims-for-propaganda. Those people are what we'd call "useful idiots", to the MSM.


91 posted on 10/01/2004 9:43:42 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Real gun control is - all shots inside the ten ring)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Not sure what happen to him .. but I think he was just a punk out to scare people


92 posted on 10/01/2004 9:45:29 PM PDT by Mo1 (Why is the MSM calling the Vietnam Vets and POW's a suspected group??)
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To: Mo1

That's what I thought too. I think I read at that time that he finally admitted he did it once he was outted as a hoaxster and that was the end of it.


93 posted on 10/01/2004 9:48:33 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Real gun control is - all shots inside the ten ring)
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To: SevenofNine

>>>Of course they not going kill the French only Americans

Let's not forget the South Korean that was beheaded please.


94 posted on 10/01/2004 9:49:55 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

I missed that one. Got a link?


95 posted on 10/01/2004 9:51:31 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

The timestamp on the Berg video is what raised a red flag for me when I watched it, giving me the impression that it was possibly staged. Even the audio sounded like it was in a complete loop during the beheading.


96 posted on 10/01/2004 9:52:13 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Real gun control is - all shots inside the ten ring)
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To: Calpernia

Not off hand, and I don't even remember the punk's name, but it happend not long after the Nick Berg beheading.


97 posted on 10/01/2004 9:52:56 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Real gun control is - all shots inside the ten ring)
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To: Darksheare

Ping


98 posted on 10/01/2004 9:54:01 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Save a Democrat! Vote Republican!)
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To: Calpernia

It was discussed here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1187144/posts

I haven't found out what, if anything, happened to him...


99 posted on 10/01/2004 10:00:33 PM PDT by Kylie_04
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To: cyncooper; nopardons; Peach; prairiebreeze; EllaMinnow; Mo1

Speaking of Michael Berg... here he is with Paul Bigley in an interview with Socialist Worker. And Paul Bigley states, “The only people who have any credibility with the people of the Middle East are the anti-war movement,”.



http://irishantiwar.org/news/item.tcl?news_item_id=101005

THE FAMILY of British hostage Ken Bigley holds Tony Blair responsible for his suffering, says Ken’s brother Paul.

He was speaking to Socialist Worker from his home in Holland on Monday of this week with hopes for Ken’s safe return.

“It is the actions of the family and those who have rallied to our support that give rise to that hope,” said Paul.

“The Foreign Office and Blair did nothing useful.

“While our efforts secured a call from Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat for Ken’s release, all Blair did was phone my brother in Liverpool and my mum.

“He has sent no communique to the hostage takers, nor has he made a direct intervention. Instead we have a total silence. Silence is a death warrant for Ken.”

Paul Bigley’s demands for action from Blair at the start of this week were as logical and urgent as they were easy to fulfil.

“The Al Jazeera TV channel is the PO box of the Middle East—everyone watches it,” said Paul.

“All I asked is for Blair to send a bloody fax to Al Jazeera to establish a dialogue with the captors.

“But the government has boycotted Al Jazeera.”

The channel has been banned in Iraq by the puppet government imposed by the US and Britain.

“So, perhaps Blair wanted to save face by not contacting the channel,” Paul added.

“But what’s saving face compared with saving a life?

“The second thing Blair could have done from the start is pick up the phone to George Bush and tell him to lift the ban on releasing the women prisoners held in Iraq. After all, isn’t there supposed to be a special relationship?

“And lastly, I have called for the government to set a firm date for the withdrawal of British troops from Iraq.

“The government says it will not negotiate with terrorists. But I’m not talking about negotiation. I’m talking about communication.”

The dignity and courage of Paul Bigley and his family shame Blair and his government. While New

Labour “fixers” scrabbled around this week desperately trying to avoid being held to account for the disaster of Iraq. Paul was spending every hour trying to secure his brother’s release.

He said, “It was utterly disgraceful that Peter Hain, a Labour minister, referred to Iraq as a ‘fringe issue’ as he tried to stop discussion on it.”

Paul was able to speak by phone to an anti-war fringe meeting at the Labour Party conference and a Stop the War Coalition meeting in Manchester.

“The only people who have any credibility with the people of the Middle East are the anti-war movement,” he said.

When asked whether people should join protests such as the next anti-war march on 17 October, and make their support for his three demands public, Paul says:

“Absolutely. For Ken’s sake and for the sake of everyone in Iraq I ask you to make your feelings known to our government, to protest and to join the demonstration on 17 October.”

And Michael Berg, whose son Nick was executed in Iraq, told Socialist Worker that Blair can immediately withdraw all British troops from Iraq and join other nations in rejecting George Bush’s war on terror.

“Bush and Blair say the hostage taking means foreign troops should stay in Iraq. But it is that kind of thinking that has led to the loss of over 21,000 lives.

“The people of the Middle East want what we all want—sovereignty, self determination, freedom from abuse.”



100 posted on 10/01/2004 10:00:52 PM PDT by Tamzee (Ted Koppel --- "....the media will need a stepstool to rise to the level of used car salesmen.")
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