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Election Model
October 1, 2004 | Michael Katz

Posted on 10/01/2004 4:26:45 PM PDT by Mike10542

I usually check out the DU website to see what they are talking about. One thing I keep on seeing is an election model that one of the idiots there posts. It always has Kerry in the lead, with a 85% win porbability. Can someone please explain to me this model and hopefully debunk it for me. Thanks.


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1 posted on 10/01/2004 4:26:45 PM PDT by Mike10542
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To: Mike10542

It's been debunked about once a week on Free Republic. Check the older posts.


2 posted on 10/01/2004 4:27:35 PM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: Mike10542

Well, they are liberals therefore they lie. Nuff said.


3 posted on 10/01/2004 4:28:15 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought."-Pope JPII)
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To: Mike10542

They count the dead voters.


4 posted on 10/01/2004 4:31:25 PM PDT by Founding Father
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To: Founding Father

... many times.


5 posted on 10/01/2004 4:32:36 PM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (Which part of "Don't Mess With Texas" didn't you get?)
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To: Mike10542

thats because 185% of the registered voters in this nation will vote for him....


6 posted on 10/01/2004 4:32:43 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Free Republic - Only as "free" as those that post on it want it to be!!!)
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To: Mike10542

http://www.geocities.com/electionmodel/

I have no idea who runs the thing.

It shows three different predictions, two based on national polls, one based purely on state polls.
One of the methods using national polls gives Bush a 99.5% chance of winning the election. That's the one that uses a composite of all the 18 recent poll orgs.

Then there is another national model where he cherry picks the "independent" polls, that one gives Kerry 61.6% chance of winning. Think Zogby.

For the state by state polls, his result looks pretty goofy. He assumes Kerry gets 60% of the undecided vote, I think that's what gives Kerry an 85% chance of victory.

One of the most respected predictors of election said Bush would win by 3.7%. Of course the voters could easily prove him very wrong one way or the other.


7 posted on 10/01/2004 4:33:47 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos

I just noticed he "weights" state polls. Who knows what he is doing.


8 posted on 10/01/2004 4:35:02 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos

I thinking they were actually polling the DUmmies themselves and 85% thought that Kerry would win. The other 15% were voting for Gore in the hopes that they could still win the 2000 elections in Florida.


9 posted on 10/01/2004 4:35:38 PM PDT by bpjam (I don't know what a neo-con is and neither does anybody else.)
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To: Mike10542

It's simple... the voices in his head tell him that Kerry has a 45% chance of winning, so he adds 40% to that and comes up with 85%. Nothing to it.


10 posted on 10/01/2004 4:38:54 PM PDT by ironmike4242
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To: Mike10542

It's the glue he uses to build his model. Not much ventilation in Mom's basement.


11 posted on 10/01/2004 4:39:39 PM PDT by zygoat
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To: Mount Athos

what, no international polls included? how unilateral
and wrong!


12 posted on 10/01/2004 4:40:46 PM PDT by Rakkasan1 (Justice of the Piece:If Marx is your hero, Kerry is your candidate.)
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To: Mike10542

Not even worth looking into. Not worth your time and mine. Better predictors are market-based or economics-based models.


13 posted on 10/01/2004 4:44:10 PM PDT by Cableguy
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To: Mike10542

85%!!!???? Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

I think that the only president who came close to those kind of numbers was George Washington. Certainly, in the past century, NO candidate has posted anything close to those numbers.

85% is not only wishful thinking, it is a testament to how delusional liberals are.


14 posted on 10/01/2004 4:51:14 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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To: Mike10542

Dunno how he can arrive at 85% probability with Bush
leading in polls......but I would like to have a part
of what he is smoking LOL.


15 posted on 10/01/2004 4:52:31 PM PDT by gwbiny2k
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To: Mike10542
How can I say this nicely?...

No one should give a damn about anything over at "that site"!

Do you give serious attention to the blatherings of the rambling, homeless drunk you pass every day on your way to work? NO!

16 posted on 10/01/2004 4:53:19 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Mike10542
I prefer this election model...


17 posted on 10/01/2004 4:55:54 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (Let's REALLY Split The Country! (http://righteverytime3.blogspot.com))
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To: gwbiny2k

he gives all 50/50 states to Kerry


18 posted on 10/01/2004 4:58:50 PM PDT by OhGeorgia
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To: Mike10542
I've previously made him a very, very generous offer. A Kerry probability of victory of 85% translates into about 5.7:1 odds in his favor. I've offered to take the short end, up to $5,000, and all I'd ask for would be 2:1 odds. This bet would be dramatically in his favor. Funny how he hasn't taken me up on it.
19 posted on 10/01/2004 5:09:21 PM PDT by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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Latest Tripias Poll Amalgam;

Bush: 324 Electoral Votes (195 likely, 129 uncertain)
Kerry: 210 Electoral Votes (125 likely, 85 uncertain)

http://www.tripias.com/state/index.html?NaderToggle=Nader_Only&SampleToggle=Likely_Only&StartDateMonth=09&StartDateDay=02&EndDateMonth=10&EndDateDay=01&Zogby_Interactive=1


20 posted on 10/01/2004 5:10:20 PM PDT by swilhelm73 ("I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things" -- Dan Rather)
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