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GW on TradeSports.Com today (down, then up)
http://tradesports.com/jsp/intrade/common/c_cd.jsp?conDetailID=11738&z=1096668623869 ^

Posted on 10/01/2004 3:27:46 PM PDT by Ironclad

Currency USD

Bush to win election

Session lo/hi 61.6 - 66.4; Life lo/hi 49.0 - 75.0; Previous Close 64.5; Open Price 64.0; Last Price 64.0; Today's Volume 8219; Total Volume 572284

Kerry to win election

Currency USD: Session lo/hi 34.1 - 36.4; Life lo/hi 28.3 - 50.5; Previous Close 35.5; Open Price 36.3; Last Price 36.2; Today's Volume 1401; Total Volume 20980


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; asitseemed; bush; firstdebate; lastnight; notasbad; oddsonwinner
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GW opened at 64, went as low as 61.1 today, but has bounced back as high as 66.4. Currently trading at 64.

Kerry opened at 36.3, actually traded down to 34.1, and his highest trade today was 36.4 today. Currently trading at 36.2.

There's certainly no sign today of a problem for GW insofar as the free market is concerned. It looks to me like the market consensus is that the debate was a draw.

1 posted on 10/01/2004 3:27:46 PM PDT by Ironclad
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To: Ironclad

The Iowa markets show a drop in Bush's odds from about 67 to 62 since the debates.


2 posted on 10/01/2004 3:34:50 PM PDT by Honestfreedom
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To: Ironclad

And gold closed at 419.10. Wonder WHO is monkeying with it? Or maybe it's because of the price of oil.


3 posted on 10/01/2004 3:36:08 PM PDT by Maria S
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To: Honestfreedom

Can you sell short on Sportstrade?


4 posted on 10/01/2004 3:36:27 PM PDT by Honestfreedom
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To: Ironclad

A drop was entirely predictable to anyone who follows market action... traders bid Bush up towards 70, anticipating a strong debate victory. I figure he'll settle back into the range he was prior to the pre-debate buying spree.


5 posted on 10/01/2004 3:36:51 PM PDT by ambrose (http://www.swiftvets.com)
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To: Ironclad

Look at the TradeSports|com graph for the contract. The debate DID knock off a few probability points and they haven't been restored.


6 posted on 10/01/2004 3:36:55 PM PDT by mdefranc
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To: Honestfreedom

yeah not good and Bush dropped from about 72-74 in the last 3 days or so.


7 posted on 10/01/2004 3:37:10 PM PDT by OhGeorgia
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To: Honestfreedom

Short trade? You betcha. I made $500 on Stanford v USC - 21.5 last weekend doing just that.

You can either go long Kerry at sportstrade.com, or short Bush. I can't imagine the market lets any arbitrage opportunities arise, so it should be the same trade. I haven't figured out why the only offer one side of a proposition sometimes, and offer both sides on other occassions.


8 posted on 10/01/2004 3:40:16 PM PDT by Ironclad (O Tempora! O Mores!)
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To: OhGeorgia

Bush dropped steadily over the past two weeks, I think precisely because the market was worried about the debates. Bush peaked and levelled off in the low 70s, and the market perceived that only bad things could happen to him in the debates. The nice thing about markets is that they price this sort of thing in advance. I suspect Bush's prospects for at least one, and maybe more, bad debates were taken into account, rendering the 6-7 point discount we've seen in the last fortnight.


9 posted on 10/01/2004 3:45:37 PM PDT by Ironclad (O Tempora! O Mores!)
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To: Ironclad
There hasn't been any arb on TSBush vs TSKerry that I've seen, and I watch it pretty closely.

HOWEVER, you can get VERY good arbs fr/time to time between the TS Popular Vote wta and the IEM contract (don't try this with TSBush, that's an electoral vote contract).

10 posted on 10/01/2004 3:47:39 PM PDT by SAJ (This week, write CCZ calls about $200 out of the money, especially on any rally, for 17 or more.)
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To: SAJ

Comcast? I couldn't find any option information on them in Yahoo.


11 posted on 10/01/2004 3:52:29 PM PDT by Ironclad (O Tempora! O Mores!)
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To: OhGeorgia
yeah not good and Bush dropped from about 72-74 in the last 3 days or so.
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Grr. It started last night 5 minutes into the debate and it is continuing. Enough gnashing of teeth and rending of clothes all ready. Bush did not crash and burn last night. Look at the transcripts of the debate and you will see that JFK made few concrete statements and the ones that he did will destroy him. Particularly the global test.
12 posted on 10/01/2004 3:54:26 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (I volunteer to instruct JFK on the meaning of a purple heart!!)
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To: Ironclad
Comcast? (scratching head)

OK, you win. I'm confused (g!).

Thought we were talking about arb opportunities on Tradesports (which I always abbrev. as TS).

13 posted on 10/01/2004 3:54:31 PM PDT by SAJ (This week, write CCZ calls about $200 out of the money, especially on any rally, for 17 or more.)
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To: SAJ

I'm looking at your tag line.


14 posted on 10/01/2004 3:56:10 PM PDT by Ironclad (O Tempora! O Mores!)
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To: Ironclad
AH! Sorry.

CCZ is the ticker symbol for December 2004 NYBOT Cocoa.

(I knew this thread would make sense sooner or later ... heh heh heh)

15 posted on 10/01/2004 4:03:45 PM PDT by SAJ (This week, write CCZ calls about $200 out of the money, especially on any rally, for 17 or more.)
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To: SAJ
Like they said in Raiders of the Lost Ark: "Commodities... Very dangerous. You go first."
16 posted on 10/01/2004 4:14:24 PM PDT by Ironclad (O Tempora! O Mores!)
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To: crazyhorse691

Look, probably everyone on this thread thinks there's political ammo that COULD be used in debate boy Kerry's wanting to:

1) supply Iran with uranium (a la Carter-Clinton-Albright/North Korea)

2) global test (do intellectually/morally superior France, Germany and the U.N. approve of us?), and

3) treat a COOPERATING Red China as irrelevant in North Korean negotiations (oh yeah, riiiight).

Nevertheless, the pre-debate Bush contract price embodied certain expectations for GW's debate performance, expectations that clearly were NOT FULFILLED. So far as I've read, that's all anyone is claiming here. Realism serves our cause better than a Smilely Face.


17 posted on 10/01/2004 4:28:12 PM PDT by mdefranc
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To: mdefranc
You are not quite correct. Realism is facing up to the challenges and choosing an appropriate response. Smiley face and doom and gloom are what you choose when there is a 600 pound Grizzly charging you and you are backed up to a 500 foot cliff.
18 posted on 10/01/2004 4:34:27 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (I volunteer to instruct JFK on the meaning of a purple heart!!)
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To: Ironclad

What does this mean ? I dont understand how this works. Enlighten me please ?


19 posted on 10/01/2004 5:11:43 PM PDT by weezel
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To: Ironclad
The biggest point of interest in the movement at TradeSports isn't the change in price but the difference in volume. Bush is currently .5 down on the day but with a volume of 575 thousand. Kerry is .5 up on the day, but is volume is only 22 thousand. Price change without volume doesn't mean much. Kerry is generating no support.
20 posted on 10/01/2004 8:37:19 PM PDT by Rokke
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