CBS Scandal Highlights Tension Between Bloggers and News Media(FR mention)

Online Journalism Review ^ | 10/01/04 | Staci D. Kramer

[Tax-chick]

"What we need isn't competition between blogs and mainstream news outlets, but a working symbiosis between the two."

Bah, humbug! "A working symbiosis" is precisely unfettered competition, ideally with every "news" source openly proclaiming its advocacy positions, and with consumers making the effort and having the courage to pursue the truth through the layers of bias.

[sierrahome]

I think I'm gonna start selling Red White and Blue P.J.'s with some sort of Blogger logo.

[trebb]

The tension between MSM and bloggers is equivalent to the tension between a soapy washcloth and a kid's dirty face - if there was no dirt, the washcloth wouldn't be necessary. I seem to recall Rush commenting on a national meeting of journalists where a bunch of them tried to vote that they didn't have to tell the truth when reporting stories...

[Interesting Times]

What we need isn't competition between blogs and mainstream news outlets, but a working symbiosis between the two."

Here's a pictoral representation of the working symbiosis between the old media and the Net.

[beckysueb]

Must be so darn frustrating to know they are being one upped by people in pajamas!

[Eric in the Ozarks]

Its not just the end of Dan Rather. Its the end of Dan Rathers.

[Right Cal Gal]

They just don't get it, do they? They can't even be correct in their speeches! Most credible bloggers claimed that the attributes of such a typewriter existed - proportional pitch, superscripted th, and even the Times New Roman font - but such attributes were on typewriters used by highly paid executive secretaries and would have been cost-prohibitive for general use by the military.

And check the panelists -- where is anyone from Fox? All MSM stooges from what I can see - especially Bill Moyers. And while they try to paint us with the "hates Rather" brush, they fail to mention WHY we dislike Rather - because of his close ties to the Democratic Party in Texas -- and we dislike CBS because they have failed to run ANY story that does not paint Bush in an unfavorable light. Pro-Kerry, Pro-Democrat.

At least when we're wrong, we friggin' ADMIT it (to cite her example). As Charles Johnson put it - "if I'm wrong, I have 10,000 fact checkers to correct me." Somewhere along the lines, the MSM decided we were all too stupid to find facts ourselves. Must be a real disappointment to them to learn that hey - guess what? We have brains. For me, this is why I watch Fox -- it assumes I have some degree of intelligence (although my Moonbat friends would call me a "Dittohead" without realizing what the origin of the term is, as usual).

[Right Cal Gal]

They just don't get it, do they? They can't even be correct in their speeches! Most credible bloggers claimed that the attributes of such a typewriter existed - proportional pitch, superscripted th, and even the Times New Roman font - but such attributes were on typewriters used by highly paid executive secretaries and would have been cost-prohibitive for general use by the military.

And check the panelists -- where is anyone from Fox? All MSM stooges from what I can see - especially Bill Moyers. And while they try to paint us with the "hates Rather" brush, they fail to mention WHY we dislike Rather - because of his close ties to the Democratic Party in Texas -- and we dislike CBS because they have failed to run ANY story that does not paint Bush in an unfavorable light. Pro-Kerry, Pro-Democrat.

At least when we're wrong, we friggin' ADMIT it (to cite her example). As Charles Johnson put it - "if I'm wrong, I have 10,000 fact checkers to correct me." Somewhere along the lines, the MSM decided we were all too stupid to find facts ourselves. Must be a real disappointment to them to learn that hey - guess what? We have brains. For me, this is why I watch Fox -- it assumes I have some degree of intelligence (although my Moonbat friends would call me a "Dittohead" without realizing what the origin of the term is, as usual).

[Gingersnap]

I have some amount of sympathy for MSM, they had it all to themselves for an awfully long time and that time is over. Change is tough.

At the same time, they have to recognize what brought this about. I believe a lot of them when they say they don't see any bias - the bias is so endemic that they really don't see it.

I'd rather read a fact checked partisan story than attempt to decode an "objective" story with internal bias.

[RJL]

Brian Williams, his co-anchor for the session, drew on his own concerns for a series of open-ended questions. "Now, if you have a modem and an opinion, in many cases, you're a journalist. The Internet -- is it good or bad for the discourse? Is it making us fiefdoms of one in our own homes with our computers? Is it counter to the kind of town square approach to journalism that a lot of us believe the founders both of the nation and journalism had in mind?"

I wonder if Brian Williams realizes how self serving and ignorant his statement is?

Obvious to anyone but Brian is that the “town square” consisted of everyone having a voice and airing their opinion in the town square. Here Brian seems to believe that the town square consisted of a couple guys telling everyone else how it is and no one else able to voice their opinion.

[RJL]

The tension between MSM and bloggers is equivalent to the tension between a soapy washcloth and a kid's dirty face - if there was no dirt, the washcloth wouldn't be necessary.

Well said.

[NYCVirago]

Posters on FreeRepublic.com, the same conservative discussion board where the accusation of forged documents began, also challenged the truth of an anti-Kerry report posted to conservative ChronWatch.com. They were right, the post was wrong and ChronWatch ran a correction.

Anybody know what this is referring to?

[Drango]

But it was Bill Moyers who tackled the reality...

Was he drunk when he did the tacklin' 'cause he can pack a punch after a fifth or two.

[DBrow]

The New Media- us at FR and "bloggers", represent

POWER TO THE PEOPLE

Now where have I heard that?

Many members of the Old Media got their start when streetfuls of people would chant that.

Let me emphasize: The New Media is POWER TO THE PEOPLE!

[DBrow]

Another thought wandered in.

The New Media, and bloggers, and forums (fora?) depend on Old Media articles posted on the Old Media websites as feedstock.

Oh, there are indies and web-only outlets but most of the articles here are from Old Media. Once they realize that they can cut off the flow.

I'd expect at the least a spate of copyright lawsuits to hit Jim.

[gcruse]

Anybody know what this is referring to?

Read the original article and click on the links.

[tobyhill]

If it wasn't for sites like Free Republic how could anyone get the truth? The MSM has been DOA for a while it's just that the older patriots of the MSM are just now killing over.

[tobyhill]

If it wasn't for sites like Free Republic how could anyone get the truth? The MSM has been DOA for a while it's just that the older patriots of the MSM are just now killing over.