Posted on 10/01/2004 8:33:02 AM PDT by PissAndVinegar
Guess what is QUIETLY being put through the House and Senate - a DRAFT
starting 2005. If you are against this, you better pass this on
IMMEDIATELY! I was not aware of this until I received this today.
Mandatory draft for boys and girls (ages 18-26) starting June 15, 2005,is something that everyone should know about.
This literally affects everyone since we all have or know children that will have to go if this bill passes. There is pending legislation in the house and senate (companion bills:S89 and HR 163) which will time the program's initiation so the draft can Begin as early as spring, 2005, just after the 2004 presidential election.
The administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed now, while the public's attention is on the elections, so our action on this is needed immediately. Details and links follow.
This plan, among other things, eliminates higher education as a shelter and includes women in the draft. Also, crossing into Canada has already been made very difficult.
Actions
Please send this on to all the parents and teachers you know, and all the aunts and uncles, grandparents, godparents. . . And let your children know - - it's their future, and they can be a powerful voice for change!
This legislation is called HR 163 and can be found in detail at the following website:
http://thomas.loc.gov/
Just enter in "HR 163" and click search and will bring up the bill for you to read. It is less than two pages long. If this bill passes, it will include all men and ALL WOMEN from ages 18 - 26 in a draft for military action. In addition, college will no longer be an option for avoiding the draft and they will be signing an agreement with the Canada which will no longer permit anyone attempting to dodge the draft To stay within it's borders.
This bill also includes the extension of military service for all those that are currently active. If you go to the select service web site and read their 2004 FYI Goals You will see that the reasoning for this is to increase the size of the military in case of terrorism. This is a critical piece of legislation, this will effect our undergraduates, our children and our grandchildren.
Please take the time to write your congressman and let them know how you feel about this legislation.
www.house.gov www.senate.gov
Please also write to your representatives and ask them why they aren't telling their constituents about these bills and write to newspapers and other media outlets to ask them why they're not covering this important story.
The draft $28 million has been added to the 2004 selective service system budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as June 15, 2005. Selective service must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for activation.
Please see www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html to view the Selective Service System annual performance plan, fiscal year 2004. The pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide. Though this is an unpopular election year topic, military experts and influential members of congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, Hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan (and permanent state of war on terrorism) proves accurate, the U.S. may have no choice but to draft.
www.hslda.org/legislation/national/2003/s89/default.asp entitled the
Universal National service Act of 2003, "to provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons (age 18-26) in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes." These active bills currently sit in the committee on armed services.
Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era. College and Canada will not be options. In December, 200 1, Canada and The U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's minister of foreign affairs, John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security director, Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30 Point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" Of people entering and departing each country.
Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their current semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic year.
What to do: Tell your friends, Contact your legislators and ask them
To oppose these bills
Just type "congress" into the aol search engine and input your zip code. A list of your reps will pop up with a way to email them directly. We Cannot just sit and pretend that by ignoring it, it will go away. We must Voice our concerns and create the world we want to live in for our children And grandchildren.
Richard L. Weiner, Esq Weiner & Laurin, LLC rweiner@wllaw.com
Tel: (818) 501-8898 Fax: (818) 501-8897
Beverly Griffin
Executive Assistant to the Deputy to the Chairman and Chief Operating Officer Phone: (202) 898-7362 Fax: (202) 898-8595
This lawyer is a client of ours (we provide tech solutions) and they felt the need to send this to us, wow! I don't know the policy of posting numbers / email addresses but it was sent to me as unsilicited spam so in my eyes, that's published for the world to see....those of you with spare time give Dick and Bev a buzz and let them know what you think :)
-P&V
Let 'em push it through, they are Democrat bills introduced by Rangel(D) and Hollings(D). President Bush will veto. Or better put out campaign ads asking why the DNC and John Kerry are pushing for a draft.
Mr. RANGEL (for himself, Mr. MCDERMOTT, Mr. CONYERS, Mr. LEWIS of Georgia, Mr. STARK, and Mr. ABERCROMBIE) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Armed Services (snip)
All the sponsors are 'democrats'!!
I am a long-time lurker and first time poster as well. I received the same e-mail about a week ago. It was forwarded to me by a friend. I was angry enough that I responded to Mr. Weiner. This was his response:
Apparently the email regarding the draft is a hoax. I am not the author of the email and I upset that my name has been attached. I obtained the original from what I thought was a credible source, however, I have now been advised that it is an old piece of legislation that never went anywhere. I have confirmed with several sources, including Senator Feinstein. The following is further information on the hoax. Please pass this on to all involved in the email chain. Thank you.
He attached several other e-mails he had received disputing the draft e-mail. I don't know if his response to me was genuine or not. I guess probably not if they're still sending it out.
Then sit back and watch...
I wonder if Dick is any relation to Robert?
To: National Desk, Political Reporter
Contact: Bob Weiner or Jeff Buchanan, 301-283-0821 or 202-329-1700
WASHINGTON, Feb. 9 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Were John Kerry and the veterans organization he led the real reason the Republicans broke into Watergate in 1972, with information on them the target of the espionage? Was doing so an early onset of Republican political paranoia against his work, a harbinger of the pending campaign against him in 2004?
Bob Weiner, the 1971-72 Youth Voter Registration director for the Young Democrats office at the Watergate headquarters of the Democratic National Committee and recently a Clinton White House staffer for six years, is asking these questions after doing a little research to refresh his memory. Weiner looked in the Senate's Watergate Hearings in volumes held by the Library of Congress and researched Kerry's specific assistance to the Party's '72 effort, a Rhode Island speech supporting youth voter registration, in the Providence Public Library's archives.
Here's what Weiner has confirmed:
James McCord of the Watergate burglars and CREEP (Committee for the Reelection of the President) testified before the Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities on May 18, 1973 and was asked by Senator James Inouye (D-Hawaii) why the break-in was conducted. McCord replied, "Democratic national headquarters staff members" were "working closely with violence groups"... "which involved violence and demonstrations against our committee". When Senators Inouye, Lowell Weicker (R-Conn.), Ed Gurney (R-Fla.), and Howard Baker (R-Tenn.) asked for more detail, in each case McCord repeated the "violence" reference but specifically -- and only -- named the "Vietnam Veterans Against the War", accusing them as "a violence-oriented group" (Hearing pages 180, 200, 201, 223-24 and elsewhere, May 18 and 22 testimony).
So what was the actual connection that the national Democratic office had with Kerry? Kerry was the public spokesperson and national chairman of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War. At the request of the Rhode Island Young Democrats, Weiner had invited Kerry to speak, urging youth voter registration, at the Rhode Island Young Democrats' convention in Providence on February 12, 1972. Kerry accepted and spoke as documented in the Providence Journal of Feb. 13, 1972. Kerry also in a news availability there called for Nixon's impeachment as later did the House Judiciary committee by a 28-10 vote before Nixon resigned.
Weiner recalls, "That's ALL that we did with John Kerry and the Vietnam Veterans Against the War -- invited him to give a voter registration speech to help increase youth voter participation, and he accepted. That's just God, Mother, and Apple Pie. It shows the paranoia and overcharged actions that Republicans used against him -- and the extremes that they would go to against him and the Democratic Party -- even back then when he and the Party were doing nothing together but positive voter involvement. Nothing is more American than that. Oh, we did have one other link with him: we invited him to give a similar speech to the Wisconsin Young Democrats a few weeks later -- but he was busy that day."
"The Republicans showed their hand as far back as 1972 in blasting John Kerry and his causes for being extremist when he in fact was helping our nation in the most patriotic ways, and that will once again be the Republican strategy in this presidential race," Weiner, now a Democratic strategist, asserts.
In his May 18, 1972 Senate testimony, McCord conceded, "Part of the reason attributed to the operation was political" (page 173). Under further questioning by Senator Inouye, he also admitted the acts were "wrong... a mistake." But, Weiner asks, "Have the Republicans yet learned the lesson of this historic miscalculation of hyping opponents as unpatriotic?"
Weiner said he is bringing out the story and facts as an "important part of history now and maybe one from which we can learn."
(Source: Robert Weiner Associates 301-283-0821 or 202-329-1700)
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=26038
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One additional thing................
our president has never vetoed a single bill.............
When I bet the horses, I never put my money on a horse who has never won a race.
It wasn't 40K troops, it was 2 full Divisions plus 40K Special Forces.
The son of a close friend of ours received his Green Beret about 6 weeks ago. He's been training / testing since March 2003. Many, many of the recruits that he started with dropped out or washed out during the process. This is NO reflection on them, the training is a mental/emotional/PHYSICAL meat grinder. but it produces the best of the best
Does Kerry think he's going to magically pull 40K more of this caliber of soldier out of his butt? The man is a complete poser, an idiot.
Check out my third source..... Evidently the dems didn't get on the same page with the commies (this time).
Jim Carey: Bring Back the Military Draft...NOT
Young Communist League: Rough Draft: Will Bush Escalate the War on Youth? It seems more likely that the military will attempt to solve their manpower problems without implementing the draft. Senator John Kerry and President George W. Bush, the two likely presidential candidates in 2004, have both publicly announced their opposition to such a move. US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who in 1969 as a US congressperson introduced the first bill to abolish the draft and establish an all-volunteer military, has repeatedly said that it would not be “appropriate or necessary to re-institute the draft.” And Selective Service ran this announcement on its website: “Notwithstanding recent stories in the news media and on the Internet, Selective Service is not getting ready to conduct a draft for the US Armed Forces — either with a special skills or regular draft.”
Bill Summary & Status for the 108th Congress
http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:H.R.163:
H.R.163
Title: To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Rangel, Charles B. (D) [NY-15] (introduced 1/7/2003)
Cosponsors (14)
Rep Abercrombie, Neil (D) [HI-1] - 1/7/2003
Rep Brown, Corrine (D) [FL-3] - 1/28/2003
Rep Christensen, Donna M. (D) [VI] - 5/19/2004
Rep Clay, Wm. Lacy (D) [MO-1] - 1/28/2003
Rep Conyers, John, Jr. (D) [MI-14] - 1/7/2003
Rep Cummings, Elijah E. (D) [MD-7] - 1/28/2003
Rep Hastings, Alcee L. (D) [FL-23] - 1/28/2003
Rep Jackson, Jesse L., Jr. (D) [IL-2] - 7/21/2004
Rep Jackson-Lee, Sheila (D) [TX-18] - 1/28/2003
Rep Lewis, John (D) [GA-5] - 1/7/2003
Rep McDermott, Jim (D) [WA-7] - 1/7/2003
Rep Moran, James P. (D) [VA-8] - 1/28/2003
Rep Stark, Fortney Pete (D) [CA-13] - 1/7/2003
Rep Velazquez, Nydia M. (D) [NY-12] - 1/28/2003
Rep Norton, Eleanor Holmes (D) [DC] - 1/28/2003(withdrawn - 6/21/2004)
http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:SN00089:
(related bill -S.89
Title: A bill to provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Hollings, Ernest F. [D-SC] (introduced
1/7/2003)
Cosponsors (None)
It's called "projection." Democrats do what they accuse Republicans of doing.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:HR00163:@@@P
HR 163 & SB 89 Exposed: The Honest Truth About the Draft (why the Dems pushed the draft in 2003)
SEARCH TOPIC http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/search?m=all;o=time;s=draft
(None of these are very long) FreeRepublic sites where there might be more "draft" info:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1171746/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1174680/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1174684/posts
This post might indicate the origin of the post on the Listserv. Funny he should say this on the same day of the post.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1217186/posts
Posted on 09/15/2004 7:27:18 PM EDT by 68skylark
PARKERSBURG, W.Va. (AP) -- Vice presidential candidate John Edwards promised a West Virginia mother on Wednesday that if the Democratic ticket is elected in November the military draft would not be revived.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1204753/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1165378/posts
This one associates Michael Moore's movie....sounds similar to the Listserv post.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1170142/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1171410/posts
As Kerry's lead among young voters thins, the DNC spreads fear of military draft
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1165651/posts
Those in the administration are making public statements...they're just not being broadly reported.
Circulating draft rumors bring issue to the forefront Indianapolis Star 10-1-04
Still, Colin Powell had to deny the possibility on a talk show Sunday and Dick Cheney got the same question from a Republican audience; he called it "hogwash."
CBS does their own thing......The Issues: Reviving The Draft (FREEP CBS over this fake draft story).
Fox's Trace Gallagher has done the only accurate media report I've seen on it.... Draft Scare Ignites Cyberspace
It used to be funny, just how desperate the Dums have become but it's starting to scare me. I've been looking at it from my perspective and thought "what intelligent person could ever support Kerry!?!?" I've neglected to realize the vast number of the American poplulace are lack that 'intelligent' part... I know it's sad to rely on an "october surprize" but I really hope Bush has one because that's the only type of thing that works on the unthinking masses.
Now before I'm flamed as an elitist, I'm just speaking from personal experience - every day, whether it's driving on the road or conversing in a hallway, it's painfully obvious people are getting dumber by the day. Maybe there's just not enought FReepers around here :)
Excellent resource - thanks for posting! Bookmarking
"what intelligent person could ever support Kerry!?!?" I've neglected to realize the vast number of the American poplulace are lack that 'intelligent' part... "
I agree with you. The population, along with ACT and SAT test scores, has been 'dumbed down'. (You know who we have to thank for that)
You're welcome!
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