Posted on 10/01/2004 6:33:21 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
Something else I should add to this conversation: friends of mine who either grew up on hog farms or were animal husbandry majors all told me the same thing: pigs get Crohns, a lot. The cure? Mass antibiotic treatment for a week and all is good.
I don't believe they should be completely profit driven. I believe if they are to undertake such a responsibility as making drugs that are supposed to improve health, then they have an obligation to self governance in the production of these drugs. They need to be cure-driven not profit-driven. I understand many of the complexities of this market, but I also understand that vioxx, was solely for profit, and lacking self governance in its production and sale.
Your argument completely ignores the epidemiological evidence cited by Bennett, which tends to implicate Mycobacteria.
The article also clearly implicates factory farms as a cause for encourgaging spread of Mycobacterial infections in the cow population. In the old days, when people drank unpasteurized milk, it was more likely to come from the family cow or a small herd, with less chance of infection from other animals.
I completely agree that American medicine is often wedded to obsolete models of disease. Our extremely complex and normally brilliantly effective immune system does not foolishly turn on the body's own tissues for no reason. Many so-called autoimmune diseases may in fact be of infectious origin. There is also reason to suspect Mycobacteria as causes of arthritis and prostatitis.
So much for the FDA and USDA keeping us all safe.
What about "dry" milk? Would the drying process and subsequent lack of moisture starve the bacteria? Probably not?
ping
My wife is 38 and was diagnosed about 7 years ago. While she has avoided surgery so far, it really has ruined her quality of life.
GNC does not have these as far as I know (though many health food store will gladly special order for you), dosage is up to you (experiment- maybe 1 cap a day for Lactobacillus GG, 2-4 caps a day for S.B.- its up to you.
Side effects are few I am aware of- again you should do a google search and find out what you can - these are not exotic substances (S.B. has been used in Europe for quite some time) but they're only becoming more common the last few years as well
Ping
MAP can hide from the body's immune system- within a part of the immune system (joggin my memory now)- also MAP does not have a regular cell wall like other bacteria (why called clear bacteria)
Another former sergeant of mine who still has Crohns, took an article from a British paper citing bacterial infection, to his GI: the doctor's autoimmune response? You can't trust anything those europeans say.
The holier then thou attitude of so many doctors in America, their love of their own brilliance and God like powers, is aiding and abbetting an already bad situation.
My step-son has Crohn's disease. While he probably hasn't drank diseased milk, I find it intersting that he has been around livestock a lot. He attended an agricultural college that had large animals and today is a zoo keeper.
You misunderstand me. What I am pointing out is that their behavior would be different in a properly structured market.
You are not the only one who is tired of it. We have had several run-ins with the profession over Lyme disease. They just can't accept that medical information is so broad and widely published now that no one can stay on top of it all. The corollary is that any educated person with a computer can be as well versed on a particular disease as the average GP.
True, this is MAP's way of escaping being killed by the immune system. There is a continuing war of innovation by bugs (just as with human weapons of war) and response by the immune sytem, and sometimes the bugs get the upper hand, which is why we need antibiotics. However, the immune system is still aroused by the bugs, causing inflammation; it is not "stupid" enough to get aroused by nothing. The old fogies in the medical establishment want you to believe this is due to some peculiar weakness in the victims, or to "stress," or some other mysterious cause.
Conventional therapy for possibly infectious "auto-immune" diseases involves deliberately weakening the immune system with things like methotrexate, sulfasalazine, etc., always with side effects, which may be disastrous.
>>Infected animals are known to lose over 300 pounds per week, mostly from massive diarrhea.<<
In 3 weeks the animal would be just bones. I can't see ranchers intentionally keeping a cow like this that would infect the rest of the herd.
Is the author against milking cows?
It's their pampered egos, they can't handle the truth! :0) I wonder if an occassional large bought of alcohol helps? Once you ingest more then the body can process, the remaining alcohol is bound for the digestive system and eventually comes out, does it get to the colon? Does it have any affect on the little bacterial bastards? What about yogurts with digestive bacterias in them? If I take Cipro, and say it destroys a large part of the bacterial culture, will drinking only ultrapasturized help keep it out? Does it pass in cheese, considering all the other bacterias eating away at the milk in the formation?
There is a lot of information that shows a relationship between the bacterium that causes Johne's Disease and Crones but none of it is conclusive. New information that shows that some outside immune stimulus (like infecting patients with Trichuris spp. intestinal parasites) is also showing that there is a significant immune componet to the disease. Some cattle dewormers, levamisole, have been used in the past and shown some improvement along with the sulfasalazine treatments.
Having also been a dairy inspector, I know that Mycobacterium can escape the pasteurization process. HTST and slow Vat process products are routinely cultured for contaminants and the dairies are notified accordingly. UHP processes are more efficient IMHO.
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