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Debate #1: How Did They Do?
National Review Online ^ | October 1, 2004 | Symposium

Posted on 10/01/2004 2:05:46 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta

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To: Vinnie
Pre. Bush could have pointed out that Kerry voted against the 87 billion to buy those very items.

He did make that point. I was looking and waiting for it. I almost thought Bush was going to miss it, but he didn't.

21 posted on 10/01/2004 3:18:45 AM PDT by tdadams ('Unfit for Command' is full of lies... it quotes John Kerry)
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To: Vinnie
OTOH, If I had been up ther in front of 50+ million viewers, I would have.. errr... peed my pants and forgot my name.

LOL! You and me both, brother.

22 posted on 10/01/2004 3:19:40 AM PDT by Recovering Hermit (Open your eyes.)
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To: tdadams
He did make that point.

Guess I was yelling so loud I missed it. :)

23 posted on 10/01/2004 3:22:21 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: SpyGuy
"Because the Leftist moderator kept it focused on Iraq."

Who picks the questions?

Carolyn

24 posted on 10/01/2004 3:25:06 AM PDT by CDHart
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To: dokmad

GWB is one piss poor public speaker

But a Great President, I will go on his record, not how good he is as a public speaking. I will admit that Kerry looked pretty polished last night but what the heck does that have to do with his record? What do people want, a polished man or a good one?


25 posted on 10/01/2004 3:27:05 AM PDT by garylmoore (Repeat: They made a mistake, they didn't count of George W. Bush.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Bush could have put him away on so many issues.

Kerry trashed the coalition of Asian nations with the USA working to contain Korea... Bush let him go on that.

Kerry said his VOTE against the 187 billion supplemental was a mistaken way to TALK about the war... Bush failed to mention that SENATE VOTES are not just TALK. Bush let him go on that.

Bush let him go on his 20 year anti-military, anti-USA voting record in the Senate. This was a foreign policy debate. A 20 year voting record is an important foreign-policy predictor. Bush let him go on that.

We all laughed when Kerry changed his campaign team several times.

Bush should have been doing the same.

There are obviously Bush advisors who should have been fired long ago.

This was not a true debate. This was a series of short speeches. Bush's advisors didn't send him him with any good short speeches. Kerry's advisors sent Kerry in with a lot of good (lying) short speeches.

All of Bush's advisors --- including Rove --- should be replaced with a team run by Rush Limbaugh.

What a sad, sad, day. I just hope we dont get that commie traitor anti-American, anti-Christian, anti-Capitalist, pro-Europe, pro-terrorist scumbag Kerry and his scumbag lawyer boy in the Whitehouse.

We all laughed at the idea of Clintonistas sabotaging the Kerry campaign.

I'd like to know who's sabotaging the Bush campaign. Clearly somebody is doing that. Clearly somebody in the Bush camp does not want Bush to be president. I'd really like to know who that is.


26 posted on 10/01/2004 3:30:32 AM PDT by samtheman (www.swiftvets.com)
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To: tdadams

I watched the debate here (started 2 am in Ireland). yeah, he missed a few words etc., but when it was over I felt he was at least sincere and honest.


27 posted on 10/01/2004 3:33:23 AM PDT by Colosis (Just when you think you've won the rat race along come faster rats.)
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To: Vinnie

I just loved your post! Last night, I was worried, not disappointed, because I thought the President seemed tired. I prayed non-stop (between fitful dozes) for him to be strengthened in this fight, and this morning, have a couple of observations:

1. President Bush has fought the WOT, dealt with 9-11, restored dignity to the WH, brought down two (if you count Libya, three) terrorist regimes, had a dazzling first term, campaigned successfully, offerred hope to hurricane victims, and still had to prepare for his hostile media test. sKerry has failed to show up for the job he is paid to do, taken several days off "to rest" from the rigors of campaigning, and still was unable to answer the softballs Lehrer threw at him with anything other than insults to the President.

2. This is an election about who is a leader, and our President made it clear that neither pressure or politics would change his core values about taking care of the safety of the American people. sKerry used facile debate tactics to appear to be what he wasn't: principled and caring. Most people who watched the debates who were NOT as partisan as we are can still sense the difference.


28 posted on 10/01/2004 3:33:32 AM PDT by alwaysconservative (Orange you glad the other side has a whiny nuancy boy for a candidate?)
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To: zip
I think in my own mind. Kerry did very well. That is not to say Bush did not. In my own mind, I had lower expectations for Kerry. I though he would get trapped in all his flip flops. He did not. So he did a lot better then I thought he would. However, the perception he did better then I thought he would does not mean he won. If you look at comments after sleeping on it, Bush made some great points. I did think this debate would be so much different then how it turned out. My personal thought of how this debate would go did not meet my expectations. That was my mistake. The fact is, Kerry is a good debater. That it what surprised me. Bush did great. He was steady..
29 posted on 10/01/2004 3:34:50 AM PDT by dubie
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To: garylmoore
Kerry spoke very clearly. He wants to turn US over to the UN. He wants foreign leaders to form our foreign policy. He wants us to be like the rest of the world not the world being like us. Kerry is a Socialist Pig.
30 posted on 10/01/2004 3:38:42 AM PDT by just me
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
I love my President and think he held his own or better in the debate; However, his repetitious use of the phrase "hard work" drove me nuts last night.
31 posted on 10/01/2004 3:40:15 AM PDT by Rebelbase ("We will crush Al Qaeda"....Silky Pony)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

I felt the President did quite well. He seemed exasperated at the inundation of twisted and oftentimes false utterances from Kerry. About half way through, I was furious that our President had to stand there another 45 minutes wasting time trying to defend our position on the WOT. We are at war for our very lives, Saddam was a terrorist responsible for the death of hundreds of thousands, and our military is bravely fighting this war. I didn't hear any mention of specifics for this supposed brilliant plan of Kerry's, just criticism. I heard a resolved President react to a litany of lies that frankly was a waste of this man's valuable time.


32 posted on 10/01/2004 3:42:45 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: CDHart

From what I've been told, the first debate was designed to be about Terrorism/Iraq/Homeland Security. The second debage is to concern "everything," and the third debate is to focus on domestic issues.

Don't know about debates 2 and 3, but Lehrer (the moderator) wrote the questions for last night's debate.

I think GWB's problem is that he has too many "yes men" in his inner-circle - too many advisors who keep telling him he's doing fine and are prepping him for debates with softballs rather than inside fastballs. He was unprepared last night. He performed poorly at a moment he could have killed Kerry, metaphorically speaking.


33 posted on 10/01/2004 3:49:33 AM PDT by NCPAC (Social Darwinists Unite!)
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To: Vinnie
Another golden opportunity missed was Kerry's going on about the lack of armor in Humvees, soldiers w/o flak jackets.

Oh, man! I was falling out of my chair when Kerry said that...but, you're right, Bush missed a real opportunity there.

34 posted on 10/01/2004 3:54:16 AM PDT by IndyTiger
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

From Drudge:

"Unbeknownst to Kerry adviser Mike McCurry, a C-SPAN camera quietly followed McCurry as he found Kerry adviser Joe Lockhart on Spin Alley floor and asked him his impression of the debate. Lockhart candidly said to McCurry , “The consensus is it was a draw.”

I called a draw mid-way through, as well.


35 posted on 10/01/2004 3:55:18 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Troll-Patrol! You've been warned.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

I had a tooth pulled last week, I know that was more pleasant than watching my President last night.

WMD's: "Senator Kerry here are some of the chemical and biological agents we have found and continue to find in Iraq. (LIST THEM NOW) We have also found mobile labs, an ambitious nuclear program was uncovered. Iraqi scientists have proven our worse fears were rapidly materializing. And yes, Saddam Hussein's Iraq was pursuing the purchase of yellow cake uranium in Africa, the same place they had acquired it before the 1981 Israeli air strike.
Senator Kerry, Iraq gas been a terrorists' haven for years. Our special forces along whith the Iraqi Kurds in an extensive battle eliminated one of the largest Al Qaeda training camps in the world in the spring of 2003. Iraqis attempted to destroy the WTC and murder 10's of thousands in February of 1993, the ringleader was an Iraqi agent, another of the Iraqi murderers, the one who mixed the chemicals for the bomb fled to Iraq where he was employed by the Iraqi government for years afterward. Senator, this is not only the right war, at the right time, at the right place my only regret is that it was not done sooner."

THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR FROM OUR PRESIDENT!


36 posted on 10/01/2004 4:02:24 AM PDT by HankReardon
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To: CDHart
"Who picks the questions?"

If you had watched and listened to the program, from the beginning, you would know that Jim Lehrer made the questions up, and he stated that absolutely no one had any knowledge of them other than himself.

Now ask me who Jim Lehrer is. ;)

37 posted on 10/01/2004 4:23:15 AM PDT by G.Mason (A war mongering, UN hating, military industrial complex, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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To: thelastvirgil
G.W. Bush is in trouble after this train wreck. Let's at least be honest.

What parallel universe do you live in? Do us a favor, rent the DVD "Event Horizon" tonight, and then you can live your fantasy.

Bush came across as genuine, strong, and determined. Kerry was not terrible, but he was not convincing as a leader.

38 posted on 10/01/2004 4:36:38 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: LeoWindhorse

LEO!! FINALLY, after reading so many Negative Nellies (and unfamiliar posters I might add), a MAN with cool.

Also, where do I start? KERRY BLEW IT LAST NIGHT! He looked like the kept French poodle who spent his day at the spa, getting manicured, pedicured and sprayed and the President looked like a handsome, real man who spent his day checking on the storm damage in Florida, clipping his own nails.

I could start at the end, although there were so many gaffes where Kerry got his clock cleaned bit by bit time and again - - - at the end when TaRAYza waddled up on stage and endured another grimacing hug (which may have been cute when she was 21, but not at 65) contrasted with Laura and the daughters gladly (and sveltely going on stage) obviously happy to hug their man - - - or if gaffes are what you need, the unfortunate pronunciation of "PUTIN" coming out of Kerry's tongue-darting mouth several times was NOT attractive (in many quarters, at least and not to make fun of VLADIMIR), but President Bush underscored his good sense AND first name basis with world leaders when he had the gumption to call VLADIMIR by his first name!!!

Those two things in themselves are glaring hits against Kerry. I'm sorry, but Twinkie notices things like that, which may not be very ladylike, but . . . true.


39 posted on 10/01/2004 4:37:00 AM PDT by Twinkie
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

This debate reminded me in ways of the first Reagan-Mondale debate where Mondale won because Reagan was not on the top of his game. I think Bush lost if only because he missed opportunities, and had some trouble finding words. He only ONCE mentioned Kerry's 20 year senate record. Why? This was the national security debate. I think he should have lanched (albeit it toned down) into a Zell Miller litany of Kerry's votes against weapon systems.

On the bright side, I don't think this was a momentum shifting debate, and Reagan cleaned Mondale's clock in the second debate, so net-net, this debate won't matter much.


40 posted on 10/01/2004 4:37:52 AM PDT by The Hound Passer (Sitting home in protest this Nov is a vote for Kerry and Co.)
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