Posted on 09/30/2004 11:26:47 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Click on the link for the transcript AND video of the 1st debate.
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| Posted by HuntsvilleTxVeteran On News/Activism 09/30/2004 11:28:29 PM EDT · 21 replies · 385+ views foxnews ^ | Nov. 30, 2004 | Various |
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Bush won hands down!
Kerry caught lying again!
Read the actual transcript!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,134152,00.html
Thanks Tonk!
ol Johnny needs the UN doesn't look so good in print! LOL
His butt kissing of the French was most noticeable this evening.
(From transcript of 1st segment linked above) Now, isn't that interesting...good catch.
KERRY: Well, I'll tell you exactly why not, but I first want to say something about those sanctions on Iran.
Only the United States put the sanctions on alone, and that's exactly what I'm talking about.
In order for the sanctions to be effective, we should have been working with the British, French and Germans and other countries. And that's the difference between the president and me.
And there, again, he sort of slid by the question.
Now, with respect to Darfur, yes, it is a genocide. And months ago, many of us were pressing for action.
I think the reason that we're not saying send American troops in at this point is severalfold.
Number one, we can do this through the African Union, providing we give them the logistical support. Right now all the president is providing is humanitarian support. We need to do more than that. They've got to have the logistical capacity to go in and stop the killing. And that's going to require more than is on the table today.
I also believe that it is -- one of the reasons we can't do it is we're overextended.
Ask the people in the armed forces today. We've got Guards and Reserves who are doing double duties. We've got a backdoor draft taking place in America today: people with stop-loss programs where they're told you can't get out of the military; nine out of our 10 active duty divisions committed to Iraq one way or the other, either going, coming or preparing.
So this is the way the president has overextended the United States.
That's why, in my plan, I add two active duty divisions to the United States Army, not for Iraq, but for our general demands across the globe.
I also intend to double the number of special forces so that we can do the job we need to do with respect fighting the terrorists around the world. And if we do that, then we have the ability to be able to respond more rapidly.
But I'll tell you this, as president, if it took American forces to some degree to coalesce the African Union, I'd be prepared to do it because we could never allow another Rwanda.
It's the moral responsibility for us and the world.
LEHRER: Ninety seconds.
BUSH: Back to Iran, just for a second.
It was not my administration that put the sanctions on Iran. That happened long before I arrived in Washington, D.C.
KERRY: The president always has the right, and always has had the right, for preemptive strike. That was a great doctrine throughout the Cold War. And it was always one of the things we argued about with respect to arms control.
No president, though all of American history, has ever ceded, and nor would I, the right to preempt in any way necessary to protect the United States of America.
But if and when you do it, Jim, you have to do it in a way that passes the test, that passes the global test where your countrymen, your people understand fully why you're doing what you're doing and you can prove to the world that you did it for legitimate reasons.
Here we have our own secretary of state who has had to apologize to the world for the presentation he made to the United Nations.
I mean, we can remember when President Kennedy in the Cuban missile crisis sent his secretary of state to Paris to meet with DeGaulle. And in the middle of the discussion, to tell them about the missiles in Cuba, he said, "Here, let me show you the photos." And DeGaulle waved them off and said, "No, no, no, no. The word of the president of the United States is good enough for me."
How many leaders in the world today would respond to us, as a result of what we've done, in that way? So what is at test here is the credibility of the United States of America and how we lead the world. And Iran and Iraq are now more dangerous -- Iran and North Korea are now more dangerous.
Now, whether preemption is ultimately what has to happen, I don't know yet. But I'll tell you this: As president, I'll never take my eye off that ball. I've been fighting for proliferation the entire time -- anti-proliferation the entire time I've been in the Congress. And we've watched this president actually turn away from some of the treaties that were on the table.
You don't help yourself with other nations when you turn away from the global warming treaty, for instance, or when you refuse to deal at length with the United Nations.
You have to earn that respect. And I think we have a lot of earning back to do.
LEHRER: Ninety seconds.
BUSH: Let me -- I'm not exactly sure what you mean, "passes the global test," you take preemptive action if you pass a global test.
My attitude is you take preemptive action in order to protect the American people, that you act in order to make this country secure.
My opponent talks about me not signing certain treaties. Let me tell you one thing I didn't sign, and I think it shows the difference of our opinion -- the difference of opinions.
And that is, I wouldn't join the International Criminal Court. It's a body based in The Hague where unaccountable judges and prosecutors can pull our troops or diplomats up for trial.
And I wouldn't join it. And I understand that in certain capitals around the world that that wasn't a popular move. But it's the right move not to join a foreign court that could -- where our people could be prosecuted.
My opponent is for joining the International Criminal Court. I just think trying to be popular, kind of, in the global sense, if it's not in our best interest makes no sense. I'm interested in working with our nations and do a lot of it. But I'm not going to make decisions that I think are wrong for America.
Kerry-Style points
Bush-Substance
Short term bragging rights edge Kerry
Positive influence on the undecided vote leans Bush.
G.W. did better than people are willing to credit, because he scored on what is ulimately going to help decide this election.
The GOP is going to rip Kerry apart with his own words!
Yes, they are.
Everyone's focused on their style. That is going to give way to what was said, it's already happening. G.W. got this guy to admit some pretty outrageous things!
The press is quick to portray this as a draw on move on. Why is that? Maybe because they don't wnat people to take a second to remember what Kerry said?
Although I watched the debate, it's only after I've gone back and read the transcipts that I get the idea that was the plan all along. Hang him with his own rope, so to speak...
All I'm getting at that link is the tiled background image of the FoxNews logo. Would you check and see if the site's down? If not, it must be that stupid Windows update I just installed.
Worked fine for me. Check your security settings on IE if that's what you are using. Cookie settings, too...
I agree Tonk. When I listened to the debate I was disappointed that the President did not strike back harder, but hearing it again I can see that he actually did refute many of the eratic claims of Kerry.
The President did appear to be somewhat stressed at a couple points in the debate, but he had spent the day trying to lift the spirits of the hurricane victims. I am certain that had some impact. And the Kerry team had tried to pull a fast one regarding the debate rules and the lights. Frankly, if I were Bush, I would have felt irritated toward a man who has spent so much time lying and being dishonest. I really don't see how politicians are able to generousity toward someone who has been so full of dirty tricks. I guess that is why I would never be a good politician.
I believe the President came out ahead in this debate. I hope they strike down all of the rhetoric Kerry spit out tonight.
Yep. It was the cookies. Thanks.
I agree. And I can NOT believe Kerry kept throwing up his Vietnam service as though it gave him some special insight. Oh yeah, right. He was there for 4 months and came back with rice in the butt and we are supposed to think it gives him some extraordinary power to lead! LOL.
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