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To: PAR35

You certainly have that right. A pitiful show !!

I represented CincPacFlt at a major joint USN/Canadian Forces War Game in 1972 at Navase Esquimalt, Victoria, BC.

The base was in reasonable shape; and the Canadians were pproud of their modest, but highly professional contribution to NATO. Such as it was.


I returned to the base in1998 during a trip to Victoria -- to essentially re-visit an old stomping ground. I was embarrassed to have my wife see the pathetic condition the base was in: Broken windows with tape on them; lawns uncut and paint peeling grossly on many of the buildings. It truly looked like a third-world facility -- like something I might see in Yemen or Pakistan.

The sub is a joke; and it is hard for me to reconcile the expenditure of even 1M for a piece of junk that was destined for the Tiawanese scrap-metal market.

And, to retrofit this unit is ludicrous. The Canadian Forces brass are in a state of collective denial. Shame!!


9 posted on 09/30/2004 10:07:42 PM PDT by dk/coro
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To: dk/coro

I live in Victoria. I see the Esquimalt base every day. I have followed the whole sub story for over 20 years. Yup, we've been dickering around with the new sub issue for that long. And I am horrified to discover that my government intends to use these machines to SPY ON ITS CITIZENS. That is clearly what in means to say that the subs are in service of the RCMP. That is the Canadian equivalent of the FBI. Would you be happy to know that the FBI has commandeered a Trident Sub to monitor the water off the shores of, say, Maine???? I am ashamed to be a Canadian.


19 posted on 09/30/2004 10:42:32 PM PDT by Thoughtcrimes
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To: dk/coro
The Canadian Forces brass are in a state of collective denial. Shame!!

Canada used to be a nation of proud and brave men.

However, those men died at Vimy Ridge, Dieppe and Normandy. They are no more.


22 posted on 09/30/2004 11:12:46 PM PDT by Polybius
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