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CNN/GALLUP POLL: Bush Lost Debate; Retains Double Digit Lead Over Kerry on Iraq, Terrorism
USA Today | Sept. 30, 2004 | USA Today/CNN/Gallup

Posted on 09/30/2004 9:32:20 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative

Edited on 09/30/2004 9:53:00 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: West Coast Conservative

The most obvious theme of Kerry's campaign needs to be hammered into the American people's minds over and over. In all topics, foreign and domestic, Kerry campaigns as if 9/11 never occurred.

As a small business-owner of a retail company specializing in what most would consider a luxury, there has been a huge post 9/11 slow down.

A preemptive strike in Iraq was necessary because everyone (including the Senator) believed Saddam to have weapons and in no way would the American people stand by and wait to see. Deficits are a product of war.

Are we better off now than we were 4 years ago? Hell no we aren't. None of us are. We lost 3000 fellow Americans in an attack on this country that will take a generation or two to heal. But we are healing. From our individual fears to financial and economic recovery, we are healing.

The ramifications across the board are enormous and to try and pretend that the President misled or had "more diplomatic" alternatives is insane.

9/11 does not belong to just those who lost loved ones. It belongs to all of us and President Bush needs a clear and repetitive message stating such.

Someone here with the clout or connection needs to get this message to the RNC. What an average American like me needs and wants to hear is the acknowledgement of the simple truth.

Some men are born to a time and place when tough decisions...sometimes unpopular decisions become their destiny. True leaders face such challenges with courage and conviction...never wavering...never lamenting "why me" but encouraging the rest of us by their steadfastness, faith and heart.

President Bush...please ask the Senator in your next debate how can he possibly and so deceivingly address topic after topic as if the national tragedy of September 11 never occurred.

God I wish I could debate a Kerry supporter on national TV. How I would love to expose this pathological, histrionic, narcissist as the fraud he is.


101 posted on 09/30/2004 10:05:03 PM PDT by schouston (Holy Katie, Matt, Al and Ann...Batman.......that guy really believes his own crap!)
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To: West Coast Conservative
This is good news, but unfortunately, this may be only for the moment. Once Kerry's consensus debate win seeps into the public consciousness, I wouldn't be surprised if Bush's lead on this starts to crumble. I will wait a few days to see if this still holds, and if it does, that is good news indeed.

I am a huge Bush supporter, but even I admit Kerry was the winner in my view, to the extent that I didn't feel repulsion at the thought of him being POTUS. NOT a good thing as one can imagine the effect he would have on independents/soft pubbies.

102 posted on 09/30/2004 10:05:19 PM PDT by gop_gene
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To: gop_gene
I disagree. I thought he looked like he hated Bush and he was inarticulate (where exactly does he stand on Iraq?). He behaved like a belligerent Jimmy Carter.
103 posted on 09/30/2004 10:05:39 PM PDT by Time4Atlas2Shrug (I have an opinion and a modem.)
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To: Exigence

Kerry looked "presidential" and
Bush looked nervous and exasperated, but he held his ground. It was a chance missed to put Kerry away, and they didn't but Kerry had been well-coached and he was constantly on the offensive...the influence of Carville and Begala no doubt.


104 posted on 09/30/2004 10:05:44 PM PDT by Bushbacker
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To: rwfromkansas

Bush didn't blow the debate tonight and Kerry is already being outted for all the lies he told tonight

Relax .. it will be ok .. and try not to go over the edge so much :0)


105 posted on 09/30/2004 10:05:52 PM PDT by Mo1 (Why is the MSM calling the Vietnam Vets and POW's a suspected group??)
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To: Mo1
Kerry was outted on a number of lies during the debate .. and it's been a couple hours since the end of the debate

And then there is that "Global Test" thingie that Bush knocked out of the park.

106 posted on 09/30/2004 10:06:46 PM PDT by kesg
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To: Jeff Chandler

I think the problem with our perspective is that alot of us wanted Bush to eviscerate the bastard and finish him off. However Lurch has conveniently given the Republican machine the weapons and sound bites to destroy him with.


107 posted on 09/30/2004 10:06:54 PM PDT by DarthVader (John Kerry is really Janet Reno dressed up as a man.)
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To: des

You want someone to debate terrorists? Then vote for Kerry..

You want someone to kill terrorists, vote for Dubya.


108 posted on 09/30/2004 10:07:04 PM PDT by LeftyCrusher
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To: All
President Bush kept hammering the very powerful point that Kerry is a flip floper which is Kerry fatal problem.

In this debate Kerry could not change the "majority" of voters perception that he is flip floper and thus he failed the big test.

109 posted on 09/30/2004 10:07:11 PM PDT by jveritas
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To: flashbunny
That's right. The purpose is win the "election" not the debate. What's disturbing though,is the number of people who watched the debate who have paid no attention whatsoever to the previous rantings, flip-flops and incoherent ramblings of Kerry. Do they think this is who he is? Do they know this is just who he is TONIGHT!
110 posted on 09/30/2004 10:07:26 PM PDT by mvilla
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To: West Coast Conservative
The post-debate flash poll doesn't prove anything; people who support Bush have jobs and they went to bed either right afterwards or before 10:30. Leftists tend to be the late night crowd.

Still, if you ask me who won the debate, consider this. Tonight, Kerry says:

"I did vote to give the authority, because I thought Saddam Hussein was a threat."

But before that, Kerry says:

"But the president made a mistake in invading Iraq."

Kerry won the debate... with himself (though no one can be sure which John Kerry was the winner and which John Kerry was the loser)
111 posted on 09/30/2004 10:08:38 PM PDT by advance_copy
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To: des

Watching MSNBC, and I think Joe and Ron should just go out back and do it, and get it over with. They are getting creepy.


112 posted on 09/30/2004 10:08:46 PM PDT by des
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To: gop_gene

"I didn't feel repulsion"

I am not with you on that one at all. I just kept saying "I cannot imagine that thing for four years and I can't believe anyone else could either."


113 posted on 09/30/2004 10:09:03 PM PDT by Time4Atlas2Shrug (I have an opinion and a modem.)
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To: jveritas
All the new positions he took in the 90 minutes debate tonight will be viewed as another flip flop and the “majority” of voters will not believe him.

All the Republicans need to do is bring up everything Senator Kerry has said in the last ten years and people will be just as confused about just what Kerry actually stands for. And Kerry's suggestion of actually implying we sell nuclear fuel to Iran is sheer lunacy, that's to be sure.

114 posted on 09/30/2004 10:09:31 PM PDT by RayChuang88
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To: Bushbacker
the influence of Carville and Begala no doubt

You mean those "unpaid" advisers from CNN? They "don't hardly do nothin' at all for the campaign"; just ask them.

115 posted on 09/30/2004 10:10:43 PM PDT by Exigence
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To: mvilla

That will be taken care of in ads the next few weeks.. Funniest part is, Kerry won tonight, and he's still gonna lose ground on national security once Rove gets done shoving the Global Test up his ass..lmao


116 posted on 09/30/2004 10:11:08 PM PDT by LeftyCrusher
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To: Williams
As I recall, Gore also "won" the debates according to the snap polls just after. However the polls also showed a bounce for Bush corresponding to the debates.

Seems that Kerry like Gore would came over as an antagonist.

117 posted on 09/30/2004 10:12:17 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: sinkspur

We're all relieved. Well, all of us who are willing to admit that Bush turned in a majorly lackluster performance. I want to forget tonight ever happened.

But I'm hearing Guliani speak tomorrow, so that should cheer me up!


118 posted on 09/30/2004 10:12:41 PM PDT by Gunder
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To: flashbunny

Exactly. That's what you have surrogates in a campaign for. President Bush sought to stay presidential tonight. Mission Accomplished. As for Kerry's gaffes, people will pick up on them over the next few days and his poll numbers will start to go down to where they were before. To put it differently, if Kerry wanted to become President, he had to put President Bush away tonight. If he didn't get it done now, its not likely to happen in the subsequent debates. When you're behind you have a mountain to climb. The only way Bush loses the election now if he says something incredibly stupid or is caught in bed with a live boy or a dead girl. For Kerry, the object now is not to win but to avoid a humiliating loss in November.


119 posted on 09/30/2004 10:12:47 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: West Coast Conservative

So, most conclude that Kerry is a superior debater, but they still want GW as president? Works for me.


120 posted on 09/30/2004 10:13:13 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (CBS's story is sinking faster than Uncle Ted's Oldsmobile.)
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