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FR Live Thread: Bush Kerry - First Debate - Thread 2 - Here we go!

Posted on 09/30/2004 5:57:19 PM PDT by Admin Moderator

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To: Pharmboy

Very painful to watch.

I know I am going against the crowd here, but I have to say that Bush lost that debate. Not even close. He was defensive, stammering, paused way to many times, and seemed like he was defending himself.

His attacks on Kerry came across as very weak, like talking points.

Kerry was convincing, smooth, and polished. If I had no horse in this race, I'd be on Kerry's side after watching that disaster.


2,261 posted on 09/30/2004 7:36:56 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (Kerry is a traitor)
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To: Pikamax
well Scarbourgh is saying Kerry won hands down.

Problem for Kerry is that he lied out his rear end ..

2,262 posted on 09/30/2004 7:37:00 PM PDT by Mo1 (Why is the MSM calling the Vietnam Vets and POW's a suspected group??)
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To: Darksheare

Don't you just love Kerry taking GW's signature statement...God bless America. Brit analyzing it well. Kerry came off as a slick lawyer...I defended this country...the old Vietnam drum again. That SwiftBoat ad coming out tomorrow had better nail Kerry. The very idea of Kerry as president is scary. We have to earn the world's respect, pass the global test. He's out of his mind.


2,263 posted on 09/30/2004 7:37:01 PM PDT by hershey
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To: All

We're Doomed!!! Doomed I tell ya!


2,264 posted on 09/30/2004 7:37:10 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: MagnumRancid
I don't think I learned anything new about either candidate.

If that's the general perception, then Kerry loses.

2,265 posted on 09/30/2004 7:37:15 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: riri

Never heard of you... I guess you have know idea what your talking about...


2,266 posted on 09/30/2004 7:37:16 PM PDT by Porterville (Men have learned to shoot without missing ...and I have learned to fly without perching on a twig)
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To: TomGuy

I think the graphs are interesting, but as Rush says, why in the world are we interested in uncommitted voters? Is getting the uncommitted vote the only purpose of the debates?

Personally, considering the vast difference between a rightous, America first man like George Bush and a lying, commie-loving, traitor such as Kerry, how can anyone be uncommitted? The choices are so extreme, either you swing one way or the other. I don't see how a Bush voter is going to flip for Kerry or vice versa. 3rd party voters are going to divide along similar lines.

I can understand not wanting to vote (tho I think you'd be wrong not to vote), but I cannnot understand being uncommitted in this race.


2,267 posted on 09/30/2004 7:37:16 PM PDT by radiohead (Burn in hell, Kerry.)
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To: I'm ALL Right!

GLOBAL TEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a new point global test.


2,268 posted on 09/30/2004 7:37:25 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: Gunder

ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN FIND THE MAD TV DEBATE SPOOF????
(THE VIDEO LINK)


2,269 posted on 09/30/2004 7:37:29 PM PDT by AmericanR76
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To: alancarp
"Why is it that Terezza looks uncomfortable and ungainly in any situation? She just looked like she'd never worn heels before."

In my rather mis-guided youth it was referred to as being..."Stoned to tha bone!"

I think this might be the explanation for her physical and verbal antics.

2,270 posted on 09/30/2004 7:37:35 PM PDT by Khurkris (Proud Scottish/HillBilly - I am grumpy today...I may stay grumpy for a while.)
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To: Timeout
Kerry's "Plan for Iraq" is......A SUMMIT!
2,271 posted on 09/30/2004 7:37:44 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Main Stream Media == PRAVDA)
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To: Taffini

Teresa has enough money to hire a personal trainer and stylist. Maybe she doesn't care how she looks.


2,272 posted on 09/30/2004 7:37:46 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (lex orandi, lex credendi)
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To: NYC Republican
"Watch Kerry take a slight lead at the end of next week. Mark my words, or I'll eat crow."

Would you like that with Heinz catsup or Heinz 57 Sauce? I think W did a great job of showing the audience that he is in charge of the war and that Kerry doesn't have the vaguest idea what to do. W inspired confidence in his leadership. Kerry just looked like he got a nice tan and a fresh manicure. Oh yes! And he served in Vietnam and wants to be president really really bad.
2,273 posted on 09/30/2004 7:37:47 PM PDT by laishly
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To: NYC Republican
OOoh, eeh, aah, ummm...

For the people out there who don't eat and breath this stuff like we do -- they are going to think Kerry came across as informed and intelligent.

Bush better have somebodies ass tonight, he came across as completely unprepared. He never hammered home just WTF this big master plan is? Where is this money coming from? It was like Bush kept walking into Kerry's punches. Man, I was not expecting this.

2,274 posted on 09/30/2004 7:37:49 PM PDT by riri
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To: Conservative4Ever

Kerry needed a homerun tonight and got a single-he simply says he can do it better-which will not wash


2,275 posted on 09/30/2004 7:37:54 PM PDT by ground_fog
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To: MMkennedy
This is a sad thing. I am panicking....Bush is not doing well at all.

I would have liked Bush to go a little more on the offense on a few points. Make clear that anyone can have a 'plan' that looks good on paper, but that a plan that looks good on paper may not turn out so well if it relies upon others to act a certain way.

Also, I would have liked to see Bush point out that Al Quaeda has made Iraq the center of the War on Terror; it's better for us to be fighting Al Quaeda over in Iraq than to be fighting them here in the U.S.

2,276 posted on 09/30/2004 7:37:55 PM PDT by supercat (If Kerry becomes President, nothing bad will happen for which he won't have an excuse.)
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To: TeleStraightShooter
sKerry wins on style points

I got news for ya.. the American people, as a rule, only CARE about style points. They don't understand substance. We're in the land that worships folks like P-Diddy and Paris Hilton. We lost horribly tonight.

2,277 posted on 09/30/2004 7:37:58 PM PDT by In The Defense of Liberty (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: All

I've never seen some much Monday-morning quaterbacking...Fox lead with "no notable gaffes" for either man.
It was a solid debate, if you undersold Kerry as a debater, then you erred.
He spent 20 years in the Senate, what do you think they do all day over there?
Bush did fine, I'd call it a strong single, almost a double.
Bush didn't need to win tonight to win the election.
I predict that his best debate will be the town hall format.


2,278 posted on 09/30/2004 7:37:58 PM PDT by WoodstockCat (DNC and John Kerry: Forgers R' Us)
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To: Admin Moderator

Even if Kerry won the debate I don't think he did enough to convince the people he needed. He spoke to his constituents.

In NFL terms, for a team to make the playoffs it needs not only to win the final game of the season but it needs to win by a certain amount of points, too via the tie-breaker rules. Kerry didn't do that.


2,279 posted on 09/30/2004 7:37:58 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement
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Kristinn on CSPAN right now!


2,280 posted on 09/30/2004 7:37:58 PM PDT by tgslTakoma
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