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International Observers Predict Trouble in U.S. Vote (Barf alert)
Reuters (via Yahoo! News) ^ | September 29, 2004

Posted on 09/29/2004 5:31:38 PM PDT by Vision Thing

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - International observers predicted problems in the U.S. presidential election with new voting machines and warned the result could again be delayed, four years after a disputed count determined who won the White House.

The Organization for Security and Cooperation (news - web sites) in Europe observers issued a report this week on preparations for the Nov. 2 vote, after a visit earlier this month.

The group highlighted concerns over the machines, voter eligibility rules and allegations of intimidation aimed at lowering the turnout of ethnic minorities.

"In general, the nationwide replacement of voting equipment, inspired by the disputes witnessed during the 2000 elections, primarily in Florida, may potentially become a source of even greater controversy during the forthcoming elections," the group said in the report which was posted to its Web site (www.osce.org/odihr).

Many new machines do not produce a paper ballot that would be needed in the case of a manual recount, the observers, who were invited by the Bush administration, said.

Uneven application of rules on provisional ballots -- which can be cast even when the voter's eligibility is unclear -- "may cause post-election disputes and litigation, potentially delaying the announcement of final results," they added.

In 2000, voters split down the middle in Florida, which was ridiculed worldwide as it spawned court battles over whether and how to count imperfect ballots. The U.S. Supreme Court (news - web sites) eventually ruled George W. Bush won the state by 537 votes, and the decision gave him the presidency.

With polls showing this year's election between Bush and Democrat John Kerry (news - web sites) could also be tight in several states, civil rights groups have raised concern that voters could be disenfranchised and the 2000 debacle could be repeated.

The OSCE (news - web sites), which groups 55 countries, will publish an unprecedented report of its observations after Nov. 2, although it will not judge the overall fairness of the vote.

"We are very proud of our election system ... we are happy to open up our elections for people to observe, comment, offer advice maybe even learn something," a senior State Department official said.

While Democrats have welcomed the OSCE mission, Republicans have been quick to note the limitations on the group, which did not make recommendations to help avoid election-day problems.

"This type of report is not binding. You can criticize and comment all you like but the constitutional authority over our elections rests with Congress and the states," Laura Zuckerman, spokeswoman for Rep. Steve Buyer (news, bio, voting record), an Indiana Republican who sponsored an amendment this year to ban federal officials using money to invite U.N. observers.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 537votes; observers
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1 posted on 09/29/2004 5:31:38 PM PDT by Vision Thing
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To: Vision Thing

Yeah, there'll be trouble if they don't keep their international noses out of our national affairs!


2 posted on 09/29/2004 5:34:40 PM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: Vision Thing
"These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in the crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman."
--- Thomas Payne

Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States.
-- Noah Webster


"International Observers"

3 posted on 09/29/2004 5:36:23 PM PDT by steplock
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You mean International Observers like those from Cuba, North Korea and Iran? Sure, there will be trouble for them in our election cause their guy Kerry is going to lose no matter how much fraud and hysteria they try to drum up.


4 posted on 09/29/2004 5:37:46 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Vote Bush 2004-We have the solutions, Kerry Democrats? Nothing but slogans)
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To: Vision Thing
I predict trouble for these internationalists as they are just too willing to freely give unsolicited advise. Oregon will be spared this embarrassment because we vote by mail(count it if it comes).
5 posted on 09/29/2004 5:38:37 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (I volunteer to instruct JFK on the meaning of a purple heart!!)
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To: Vision Thing

In 2000, voters split down the middle in Florida, which was ridiculed worldwide as it spawned court battles over whether and how to count imperfect ballots. The U.S. Supreme Court (news - web sites) eventually ruled George W. Bush won the state by 537 votes, and the decision gave him the presidency.



Lie alert - Lie alert - Lie alert - Lie alert -



That is NOT what the SCOTUS ruled!


6 posted on 09/29/2004 5:40:40 PM PDT by taxcontrol (People are entitled to their opinion - no matter how wrong it is.)
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If you ask a prospective voter for their name and address that will be considered intimidation.

Best to just pencil in Kerry for them and save everybody the bother.

7 posted on 09/29/2004 5:47:58 PM PDT by Semper Paratus
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"We are very proud of our election system ... we are happy to open up our elections for people to observe, comment, offer advice maybe even learn something," a senior State Department official said.

Who dat?

Personally, I'd like to "observe, comment and offer advice" to the OCSE "observers."

8 posted on 09/29/2004 5:48:31 PM PDT by KiloLima (No good deed goes unpunished.)
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I still do not know why the U.S. is even allowing this travesty (political, of course) to take place in our country. Absolute insanity in a free country....or is it??


9 posted on 09/29/2004 5:48:55 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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"International observers predicted problems in the U.S. presidential election with new voting machines and warned the result could again be delayed"...

Predicted ?


10 posted on 09/29/2004 5:50:10 PM PDT by Peace will be here soon (Congrats Port Adelaide Power ! 2004 AFL champs !!)
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To: Vision Thing

We don't need no yahoos observing our votes, thank you very much!


11 posted on 09/29/2004 5:51:58 PM PDT by marvlus
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"International Observers Predict Trouble in U.S. Vote "


No, they don't.

Headlines writers are bizarre.

12 posted on 09/29/2004 5:52:28 PM PDT by mrsmith ("Oyez, oyez! All rise for the Honorable Chief Justice... Hillary Rodham Clinton ")
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To: Vision Thing
. . .the result could again be delayed. . .

. . . until they get the result THEY want.

Isn't this whole observer thing unConstitutional? I have always felt like a free person walking to my polling place, voting and walking out. Now, I don't. Not with a bunch of foreigners spying on me and my fellow citizens.

Thank you, Comrade Powell.

14 posted on 09/29/2004 5:56:27 PM PDT by KiloLima (No good deed goes unpunished.)
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" The U.S. Supreme Court (news - web sites) eventually ruled George W. Bush won the state by 537 votes, and the decision gave him the presidency."

Ummm, scuze me, but the way I remember this is that the Florida Supreme Court tried to change the rules for counting ballots *after* the election, which is a clear violation not only of common decency but of the law, and the US Supreme Court told them that no, they weren't free to shred the law and substitute their own whims.

Where from that do you get, "Eventually ruled George W. Bush won the state by 537 votes"?

This is a blatant lie in the service of rewriting history and substituting fiction. I urge, I beg all of you to contradict and combat this mendacious version of events wherever it shows its hideous visage.

The counting of the ballots under Florida law resulted in a victory for Bush. All the Supreme Court said was, "No, you can't go that far in cheating for Gore."

All that, of course, overlooks the thousands of absentee ballots--many of them military--that were fraudulently excluded by democratic operatives in the Florida bureaucracy.

The intent of the Dems was to "recount" their way to victory, fraudulently, as they have done so many times in so many places. Ballot boxes found in trunks of cars, dims eating chads by the handful, chads scotch-taped back in place, Republican observers forceably ejected from counting areas and locked out...now is not the time to forget the skullduggery these moral lepers get up to, because they're gearing up to do it again.

Nor does this vicious, evil lie take into account that every post-election study has shown that Bush would have won any honest recount. The media slugs went wild trying to come up with credible grounds to assert that Algore would have won a recount, but the facts slapped them down every time.

Thank God for Katherine Harris, and thank God the Supreme Court acted properly.


15 posted on 09/29/2004 6:01:05 PM PDT by dsc
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Just let them continue their tactics. Let their party be the one responsible for doing their damndest to make our Country look like some third-world banana republic during the actual voting process.
That should just about do it for them, in the eyes of anyone who cares at all about their Country. If that is their plan, then I'll venture that it will lose them even more membership in their pathetic party.


16 posted on 09/29/2004 6:01:11 PM PDT by fightu4it (conquest by immigration and subversion spells the end of US.)
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This is just a smoke screen. Muddy the waters first so nobody can believe anything. Then cry "disenfranchisement" when your side loses even though they cheated. Sounds very "democratic" to me.


17 posted on 09/29/2004 6:02:41 PM PDT by virgil
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To: claudiustg

If George Bush were to yank the lease on the UN and other so-called international organizations he would win in the largest lanslide in U.S. history. These groups like the UN and OSCE are filled with so much corruption, graft and pin-headed Eurocrats that they have no business taking up our space, our tax money, and getting away with millions of parking tickets. Throw them all out and let them see how Paris or Geneva feels about having them as tennants.


18 posted on 09/29/2004 6:11:52 PM PDT by lazlohollyfeld
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To: dsc

Amen


19 posted on 09/29/2004 6:13:50 PM PDT by lazlohollyfeld
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To: Vision Thing

Right!

Trouble = Bush Win


20 posted on 09/29/2004 6:21:51 PM PDT by Fruitbat
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