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49ers' home to be renamed Monster Park after stereo cable company
September 28, 2004 | SAN FRANCISCO (AP)

Posted on 09/29/2004 12:32:10 PM PDT by housewife101

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To: Question_Assumptions

Howabout "First Union Center" in Philly- note the initials!


41 posted on 09/29/2004 1:09:33 PM PDT by kaktuskid
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To: Rebelbase
Anyone here use Monster cables for their Guitar? Likee?

Yeah, I use them - they sound pretty good. The plug seems to be just slightly larger than normal, which gives a tighter fit in the input jack but also seems to widen it so that normal cables won't work as well after you've plugged in the Monster cable (a sales tactic?) I've had to unscrew the input jack from one of my guitars a couple of times and physically bend the connector back into place because it was starting to short out. I'm not sure that's all the Monster plug's fault though - I have a bad habit of sitting on the couch playing with the guitar plugged in, and I might have put too much pressure on it. ;)

Musicians seem to think Monster Cables are way overpriced for what they are.

42 posted on 09/29/2004 1:15:04 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves
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To: Rebelbase
Anyone here use Monster cables for their Guitar? Likee?

I use monster cables (guitar, bass, XLR) - I can hear the difference with guitar more than bass but it was enough to get me to switch for the bass too. Maybe it is audio voodoo but I got my Monster cable mojo raising and it is good juju.

This goes to the people that say upgraded cables do nothing - if you have tin ears or are not that much of a audiophile, you won't really hear the difference although if you ever took the time to A/B cheapie stereo cables and the good stuff anybody would hear the difference (unless your entire system is cheapie and then it doesn't matter). Remember an important point, most recording studios spend as much on cabling as they do on the toys that inhabit the studio.

43 posted on 09/29/2004 1:19:03 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: housewife101

I like Roger Craig, but unfortunately for a 49er fan, the first thing you think of when you hear his name is the fumble in the 1990 NFC Championship game. They were just running out the clock, and that cost the, the threepeat. And the 49ers have never been the same. But Roger Craig was overall a great player. (Besides, I always thought that they never should have run that play three times in a row.)


44 posted on 09/29/2004 1:22:47 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

It will ALWAYS be "The 'Stick".... ALWAYS!!! And...remember this is our rebuilding decade... ;-(

Seattle is apparently having their own problem with the Seahawks new stadium....paid for primarily by residents but recently had the name sold out from under them to Qwest (to pronounce, simply say "Crest" in your best Elmer Fudd voice).

Take a look: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/192907_qwest29.html


45 posted on 09/29/2004 1:31:08 PM PDT by CaRepub4life
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To: CyberCowboy777
As a Niners fan I could care less about the name......

How much less could you care, a little or a lot?

46 posted on 09/29/2004 1:39:09 PM PDT by usadave
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To: housewife101
Not a very dignified name, but if you come up with the cash, you get to name it pretty much whatever you want, I suppose. There's considerable evidence that companies which pony up giant amounts of cash to name stadiums often run into financial difficulty, even to the point of bankruptcy.

Lots of telecommunications companies in that area. The former Adelphia Stadium in Nashville is one.

Charlotte's former Ericsson Stadium is now Bank of America Stadium. But we still have two venues named for telecommunications companies: Cricket Arena (a 1950s vintage arena used for minor league hockey, arena football and the like), and Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre, an outdoor concert site (in a most unfortunate irony, someone stepped on a shorted-out wire at Verizon Wireless a couple of years ago, and was electrocuted).

47 posted on 09/29/2004 1:45:35 PM PDT by southernnorthcarolina (about as sensitive as a goddam toilet seat)
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To: Strategerist
Wow, it's amazing that company has been able to rip the public off enough selling products that make no difference in sound quality to buy the naming rights to a stadium.

I agree with one caveat: I've found that Monster cable connectors are better. I've had a home theater setup for years and the original Monster AV cables have held up better than the AV cables that came with the VCR, etc.

Other than that mechanical issue, the people who claim that Monster cables "sound" better are fooling themselves. Unless you're running a 1000ft cable from your amp to your speakers, the conductivity and capacitance of your cable is irrelevant at audio frequencies. People don't realize that electrical signals travel at nearly the speed of light down a cable, which makes the cable effectively zero length at audio frequencies.

A much better argument could be made that quality cables make a video signal look better.

48 posted on 09/29/2004 1:47:54 PM PDT by mikegi
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To: Last Visible Dog
I use monster cables (guitar, bass, XLR) - I can hear the difference with guitar more than bass but it was enough to get me to switch for the bass too. Maybe it is audio voodoo but I got my Monster cable mojo raising and it is good juju.

Have you looked at the guitar signal with a scope? Did you measure the cable parameters with a multimeter? Was your comparison a double-blind test?

At the frequencies produced by a guitar, the cord is effectively zero length.

49 posted on 09/29/2004 1:56:19 PM PDT by mikegi
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To: Last Visible Dog

A gearhead tone freak told me that you have to make sure all your connecting cables through the effects and volume pedal have to be Monsters also or you lose a significant portion of the Monster increase.

Agree/Disagree?


50 posted on 09/29/2004 2:16:36 PM PDT by Rebelbase ("We will crush Al Qaeda"....Silky Pony)
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To: mikegi
Have you looked at the guitar signal with a scope? Did you measure the cable parameters with a multimeter? Was your comparison a double-blind test?

I said I can hear the difference. Can you show me on an oscilloscope or multimeter why a Bosendorfer sounds better than a cheap upright piano? Can you show me on an oscilloscope or multimeter why Jimi Hendrix or Yes sounds better than the Bay City Rollers or The Back Street Boys?

If you are a musician, you need to go with your ears – what you hear / perceive

I am guessing you are not a musician.

At the frequencies produced by a guitar, the cord is effectively zero length.

If you are trying to say the pickup cord has no effect on the sound of the guitar - you are clearly not a guitar player.

51 posted on 09/29/2004 2:19:05 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Rebelbase
A gearhead tone freak told me that you have to make sure all your connecting cables through the effects and volume pedal have to be Monsters also or you lose a significant portion of the Monster increase.Agree/Disagree?

I would say yes but the differences I have perceived are small and may not be realized over short runs (from what little I know about why the cables seem better - it is based on degradation of the signal over the length of the cable – noticeable in the loss of the high end). I don't spend a lot of time intellectualizing my guitar cables. I have been using Monster cables for over five years and I have the same cables I got five years ago - when I was using other cables they would not last a year. Monster are quality cables even if you don’t buy the rap that they sound better.

52 posted on 09/29/2004 2:35:40 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: usadave
;~)

I couldn’t care less
53 posted on 09/29/2004 2:44:42 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (Veritas vos liberabit)
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To: Last Visible Dog

Cool! Thanks for playing!


54 posted on 09/29/2004 2:45:12 PM PDT by Rebelbase ("We will crush Al Qaeda"....Silky Pony)
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To: mikegi
The quality of the cable both for long term use and immediate sound quality is both real and discernible.

Same goes for analog video signals.
55 posted on 09/29/2004 2:50:55 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (Veritas vos liberabit)
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To: CyberCowboy777

Yes, the quality of the cable matters, but I think the contention here is that Monster cable doesn't offer anything that couldn't be gotten elsewhere for less money.


56 posted on 09/29/2004 3:04:59 PM PDT by brianl703 (Border crossing is a misdemeanor. So is drunk driving. Which do we have more checkpoints for?)
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To: Last Visible Dog
I said I can hear the difference. Can you show me on an oscilloscope or multimeter why a Bosendorfer sounds better than a cheap upright piano?

Yes I can. I can show you differences in the signals produced by different pieces of equipment. They show up as a real, physical changes in the spectrum. I claim that you cannot show me a difference in the signal or spectrum between a Monster cable and a non-Monster cable plugged into the same piece of equipment. The tiny differences in conductivity and capacitance with different cables have no effect at audio frequencies.

If you are trying to say the pickup cord has no effect on the sound of the guitar - you are clearly not a guitar player.

If you're trying to say that a cord "colors" the sound apart from shielding effects, then you're clearly not an electrical engineer. Again, measure the resistance and capacitance of a Monster cable and compare that to a non-Monster cable. If you actually find a difference, calculate the spectral effects at audio frequencies to see if there is any perceptible difference (hint: it's impossible in a 12ft cable).

57 posted on 09/29/2004 3:06:54 PM PDT by mikegi
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To: mikegi

The price of the cord colors the user's perception of it.

In other words, they desperately want to believe that the overpriced cable is really worth what they paid for it, and they believe that they really can hear a difference.

The human mind is very interesting in that respect.

How else can people claim that changing the electrical outlet can affect the sound? In a positive manner, no less?


58 posted on 09/29/2004 3:10:22 PM PDT by brianl703 (Border crossing is a misdemeanor. So is drunk driving. Which do we have more checkpoints for?)
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To: mikegi

The price of the cord colors the user's perception of it.

In other words, they desperately want to believe that the overpriced cable is really worth what they paid for it, and they believe that they really can hear a difference.

The human mind is very interesting in that respect.

How else can people claim that changing the electrical outlet can affect the sound? In a positive manner, no less?


59 posted on 09/29/2004 3:10:40 PM PDT by brianl703 (Border crossing is a misdemeanor. So is drunk driving. Which do we have more checkpoints for?)
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To: mikegi

By the way, Monster is now in the overpriced cat5e cable market. I wonder--does it make the data flow any faster or more accurately than any other cat5e cable that meets cat5e specs?


60 posted on 09/29/2004 3:12:26 PM PDT by brianl703 (Border crossing is a misdemeanor. So is drunk driving. Which do we have more checkpoints for?)
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