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Posted on 09/28/2004 7:36:59 PM PDT by WSGilcrest

Very Important Things to do during an earthquake. It could save your life! Hello friends and family! If you're like me, you've been told to "duck and cover" or get under the door frame of a building during an earthquake. WRONG! Take a few minutes to read some tips from an international safety expert that reveals new information about the "triangle effects" of earthquakes and how to be safe. This information can save our lives. EXTRACT FROM DOUG COPP'S ARTICLE ON THE "TRIANGLE OF LIFE", Edited by Larry Linn for MAA Safety Committee brief on 4/13/04. My name is Doug Copp. I am the Rescue Chief and Disaster Manager of the American Rescue Team International (ARTI), the world's most experienced rescue team. The information in this article will save lives in an earthquake. I have crawled inside 875 collapsed buildings, worked with rescue teams from 60 countries, founded rescue teams in several countries,and I am a member of many rescue teams from many countries. I was the United Nations expert in Disaster Mitigation for two years. I have worked at every major disaster in the world since 1985, except for simultaneous disasters. In 1996 we made a film which proved my survival methodology to be correct. The Turkish Federal Government, City of Istanbul, University of Istanbul Case Productions and ARTI cooperated to film this practical, scientific test. We collapsed a school and a home with 20 mannequins inside. Ten mannequins did "duck and cover," and ten mannequins I used in my "triangle of life" survival method. After the simulated earthquake collapse we crawled through the rubble and entered the building to film and document the results. The film, in which I practiced my survival techniques under directly observable, scientific conditions, relevant to building collapse, showed there would have been zero percent survival for those doing duck and cover. There would likely have been 100 percent survivability for people using my method of the "triangle of life." This film has been seen by millions of viewers on television in Turkey and the rest of Europe, and it was seen in the USA, Canada and Latin America on the TV program Real TV. The first building I ever crawled inside of was a school in Mexico City during the 1985 earthquake. Every child was under their desk. Every child was crushed to the thickness of their bones. They could have survived by lying down next to their desks in the aisles. It was obscene, unnecessary and I wondered why the children were not in the aisles. I didn't at the time know that the children were told to hide under something. Simply stated, when buildings collapse, the weight of the ceilings falling upon the objects or furniture inside crushes these objects, leaving a space or void next to them. This space is what I call the "triangle of life". The larger the object, the stronger, the less it will compact. The less the object compacts, the larger the void, the greater the probability that the person who is using this void for safety will not be injured. The next time you watch collapsed buildings, on television, count the "triangles" you see formed. They are everywhere. It is the most common shape, you will see, in a collapsed building. They are everywhere. TEN TIPS FOR EARTHQUAKE SAFETY 1. Most everyone who simply "ducks and covers" WHEN BUILDINGS COLLAPSE are crushed to death. People who get under objects, like desks or cars, are crushed. 2. Cats, dogs and babies often naturally curl up in the fetal position. You should too in an earthquake. It is a natural safety/survival instinct. You can survive in a smaller void. Get next to an object, next to a sofa, next to a large bulky object that will compress slightly but leave a void next to it. 3. Wooden buildings are the safest type of construction to be in during an earthquake. Wood is flexible and moves with the force of the earthquake. If the wooden building does collapse, large survival voids are created. Also, the wooden building has less concentrated, crushing weight. Brick buildings will break into individual bricks. Bricks will cause many injuries but less squashed bodies than concrete slabs. 4. If you are in bed during the night and an earthquake occurs, simply roll off the bed. A safe void will exist around the bed. Hotels can achieve a much greater survival rate in earthquakes, simply by posting a sign on the back of the door of every room telling occupants to lie down on the floor, next to the bottom of the bed during an earthquake. 5. If an earthquake happens and you cannot easily escape by getting out the door or window, then lie down and curl up in the fetal position next to a sofa, or large chair. 6. Most everyone who gets under a doorway when buildings collapse is killed. How? If you stand under a doorway and the doorjamb falls forward or backward you will be crushed by the ceiling above. If the door jam falls sideways you will be cut in half by the doorway. In either case, you will be killed! 7. Never go to the stairs. The stairs have a different "moment of frequency" (they swing separately from the main part of the building). The stairs and remainder of the building continuously bump into each other until structural failure of the stairs takes place. The people who get on stairs before they fail are chopped up by the stair treads - horribly mutilated. Even if the building doesn't collapse, stay away from the stairs. The stairs are a likely part of the building to be damaged. Even if the stairs are not collapsed by the earthquake, they may collapse later when overloaded by fleeing people. They should always be checked for safety, even when the rest of the building is not damaged. 8. Get Near the Outer Walls Of Buildings Or Outside Of Them If Possible.It is much better to be near the outside of the building rather than the interior. The farther inside you are from the outside perimeter of the building the greater the probability that your escape route will be blocked. 9. People inside of their vehicles are crushed when the road above falls in an earthquake and crushes their vehicles; which is exactly what happened with the slabs between the decks of the Nimitz Freeway. The victims of the San Francisco earthquake all stayed inside of their vehicles. They were all killed. They could have easily survived by getting out and sitting or lying next to their vehicles. Everyone killed would have survived if they had been able to get out of their cars and sit or lie next to them. All the crushed cars had voids 3 feet high next to them, except for the cars that had columns fall directly across them. 10.I discovered, while crawling inside of collapsed newspaper offices and other offices with a lot of paper that paper does not compact. Large voids are found surrounding stacks of paper.

Spread the word and save someone's life...


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1 posted on 09/28/2004 7:36:59 PM PDT by WSGilcrest
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To: WSGilcrest

Paragraphs save lives.


2 posted on 09/28/2004 7:38:44 PM PDT by per loin (This tagline has not been censored!)
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To: WSGilcrest
Oh crud. Sorry about the formatting....



 
  

Very Important Things to do during an earthquake. It could save your life!
Hello friends and family!
If you're like me, you've been told to "duck and cover" or get under the door frame of a building during an earthquake. WRONG!
Take a few minutes to read some tips from an international safety expert that reveals new information about the "triangle effects" of earthquakes and how to be safe.  This information can save our lives.
EXTRACT FROM DOUG COPP'S ARTICLE ON THE "TRIANGLE OF LIFE", Edited by Larry Linn for MAA Safety Committee brief on 4/13/04.
My name is Doug Copp. I am the Rescue Chief and Disaster Manager of the American Rescue Team International (ARTI), the world's most experienced rescue team. The information in this article will save lives in an earthquake. I have crawled inside 875 collapsed buildings, worked with rescue teams from 60 countries, founded rescue teams in several countries,and I am a member of many rescue teams from many countries. I was the United Nations expert in Disaster Mitigation for two years. I have worked at every major disaster in the world since 1985, except for simultaneous disasters. In 1996 we made a film which proved my survival methodology to be correct.
The Turkish Federal Government, City of Istanbul, University of Istanbul Case Productions and ARTI cooperated to film this practical, scientific test. We collapsed a school and a home with 20 mannequins inside. Ten mannequins did "duck and cover," and ten mannequins I used in my "triangle of life" survival method.
After the simulated earthquake collapse we crawled through the rubble and entered the building to film and document the results. The film, in which I practiced my survival techniques under directly observable, scientific conditions, relevant to building collapse, showed there would have been zero percent survival for those doing duck and cover. There would likely have been 100 percent survivability for people using my method of the "triangle of life." This film has been seen by millions of viewers on television in Turkey and the rest of Europe, and it was seen in the USA, Canada and Latin America on the TV program Real TV.
The first building I ever crawled inside of was a school in Mexico City during the 1985 earthquake. Every child was under their desk. Every child was crushed to the thickness of their bones. They could have survived by lying down next to their desks in the aisles. It was obscene, unnecessary and I wondered why the children were not in the aisles. I didn't at the time know that the children were told to hide under something. Simply stated, when buildings collapse, the weight of the ceilings falling upon the objects or furniture inside crushes these objects, leaving a space or void next to them. This space is what I call the "triangle of life". The larger the object, the stronger, the less it will compact. The less the object compacts, the larger the void, the greater the probability that the person who is using this void for safety will not be injured. The next time you watch collapsed buildings, on television, count the "triangles" you see formed. They are everywhere. It is the most common shape, you will see, in a collapsed building. They are everywhere.
TEN TIPS FOR EARTHQUAKE SAFETY
1.    Most everyone who simply "ducks and covers" WHEN BUILDINGS
COLLAPSE are crushed to death. People who get under objects, like desks or
cars,
are crushed.
2.    Cats, dogs and babies often naturally curl up in the fetal
position. You should too in an earthquake. It is a natural safety/survival
instinct. You can survive in a smaller void. Get next to an object, next to
a
sofa, next to a large bulky object that will compress slightly but leave a
void next to it.
3.    Wooden buildings are the safest type of construction to be in
during an earthquake. Wood is flexible and moves with the force of the
earthquake. If the wooden building does collapse, large survival voids are
created.
Also, the wooden building has less concentrated, crushing weight. Brick
buildings will break into individual bricks. Bricks will cause many
injuries but less squashed bodies than concrete slabs.
4.    If you are in bed during the night and an earthquake occurs,
simply roll off the bed. A safe void will exist around the bed. Hotels can
achieve a much greater survival rate in earthquakes, simply by posting a
sign on
the back of the door of every room telling occupants to lie down on the
floor, next to the bottom of the bed during an earthquake.
5.    If an earthquake happens and you cannot easily escape by getting
out the door or window, then lie down and curl up in the fetal position next
to a sofa, or large chair.
6.    Most everyone who gets under a doorway when buildings collapse is
killed.  How? If you stand under a doorway and the doorjamb falls
forward or backward you will be crushed by the ceiling above. If the door
jam
falls sideways you will be cut in half by the doorway. In either case, you
will be killed!
7.    Never go to the stairs. The stairs have a different "moment of
frequency" (they swing separately from the main part of the building).
The stairs and remainder of the building continuously bump into each other
until structural failure of the stairs takes place. The people who get
on stairs before they fail are chopped up by the stair treads - horribly
mutilated. Even if the building doesn't collapse, stay away from the
stairs. The stairs are a likely part of the building to be damaged. Even
if the stairs are not collapsed by the earthquake, they may collapse later
when overloaded by fleeing people. They should always be checked for
safety, even when the rest of the building is not damaged.
8.    Get Near the Outer Walls Of Buildings Or Outside Of Them If
Possible.It is much better to be near the outside of the building rather
than the
interior. The farther inside you are from the outside perimeter of the
building the greater the probability that your escape route will be
blocked.
9. People inside of their vehicles are crushed when the road above
falls in an earthquake and crushes their vehicles; which is exactly what
happened with the slabs between the decks of the Nimitz Freeway. The victims
of
the San Francisco earthquake all stayed inside of their vehicles. They were
all killed. They could have easily survived by getting out and sitting or
lying next to their vehicles. Everyone killed would have survived if they
had
been able to get out of their cars and sit or lie next to them. All the
crushed cars had voids 3 feet high next to them, except for the cars
that had columns fall directly across them.
10.I discovered, while crawling inside of collapsed newspaper offices and other offices with a lot of paper that paper does not compact. Large voids are found surrounding stacks of paper.

Spread the word and save someone's life...


3 posted on 09/28/2004 7:39:53 PM PDT by WSGilcrest (I........come..........in...........peace)
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To: WSGilcrest

I give up. Goodnight.


4 posted on 09/28/2004 7:40:52 PM PDT by WSGilcrest (I........come..........in...........peace)
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To: WSGilcrest

http://www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/triangle.asp

Mr. Copp is under investigation by a U.S. Department of Justice fraud unit...


5 posted on 09/28/2004 7:42:09 PM PDT by ChiefKujo
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To: WSGilcrest

I always said; if it's shaking so bad you have to go get under something, it's probably shaking so hard that you can't.


6 posted on 09/28/2004 7:42:44 PM PDT by umgud (speaking strictly as an infidel,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,)
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To: WSGilcrest


Good try!!

Thanks for the info.


7 posted on 09/28/2004 7:42:44 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (I'm fresh out of tags. I'll pick some up tomorrow.)
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To: WSGilcrest

See http://www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/triangle.asp


8 posted on 09/28/2004 7:43:01 PM PDT by LA Conservative (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column)
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To: WSGilcrest

I like
the preview button.

it
can save your
Posts from looking ba d.


9 posted on 09/28/2004 7:43:40 PM PDT by scab4faa (United we stand. Divided we Kerry.)
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To: WSGilcrest

Great article.... thanks for posting it!


10 posted on 09/28/2004 7:45:09 PM PDT by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has already been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: WSGilcrest

Sorry, but I found this...

Wednesday, September 15, 2004
Doug Copp: Disaster Expert or Massive Fraud?
When did anything any big organization says become suspect? Now it is the standard earthquake advicefrom the American Red Cross, DROP, COVER, AND HOLD ON.

In a number of circles, an e-mail about "Triangle of Life" is going around. It often starts like this:

My name is Doug Copp. I am the Rescue Chief and Disaster Manager of the American Rescue Team International (ARTI), the world's most experienced rescue team. The information in this article will save lives in an earthquake.

The problems are, Copp's claims to experience are almost certainly fraudulent, there's no "ARTI" except in his own mind, and his advice is bad, if not dangerous.

Copp's site forgets to mention his coverage in the New Mexico papers....that convincingly lay out the evidence that Copp is now a fraud and has always been a fraud. It is an interesting story, kind of like a Munchausen syndrome.

Mr. Copp's assertions in his message that everyone is always crushed if they get under something is incorrect.

there is substantial evidence that Copp's claims of heroism and life-threatening injuries regarding 9/11 are not true. An Albuquerque Journal investigation also found a nearly 20-year history of exaggeration, self-promotion, freeloading and very little evidence of real rescue work.

New Mexican's Claims of Ground Zero Rescue Work Called Into Question

A 9/11 Phony — a series published starting July 11, 2004
Self-proclaimed rescue guru Doug Copp's mission to ground zero was considered so important that he had clearance to be flown to New York even though all civilian air traffic in the United States had been grounded. Once there, he says he assumed a pivotal role and sustained devastating injuries while wading through the "toxic soup" in search of survivors and victims, and was awarded nearly $650,000 for his injuries. But there is little evidence Copp performed real rescue work, and it is doubtful that he deserves compensation.

READ DAY 1:
Claims of Heroism Called Into Question;
Appeals to 9/11 Fund Had Lawmakers' Help;
Justice Dept. Inquiry Requested by Udall

READ DAY 2:
Doug Copp 'Bombero' Arrives at Ground Zero;
AG: Doug Copp's Fund Raising Violated N.M. Law
Ab. Journal Jet Trips To Disaster Status Quo

READ DAY 3:
Striking Out at Ground Zero
Doctors Differ on Copp's Actual Ailments
Copp Apparently Missed 9/11 Fund Deadline--Did not Seek TImely Medical Care

READ DAY 4:
Copp Says He's A Hero; Experienced Credentialed Disaster Responders Just Laugh'
Copp Says Proof Is in the Footage

FOLLOW UPS:
A Widow Defrauded by Copp and his "deathometer" Ordeal(Sunday, July 18, 2004) more
U.S. Dept. of Justice Fraud Unit Investigating Copp's 9/11 Injury Claim

Now read the response by a guy who actually knows what he is talking about.

Earthquake Safety in the U.S.
Recently it has been brought to my attention that an email from Doug Copp, titled "Triangle of Life," is making its rounds again on the Internet. This message, below, originally distributed on July 14, 2000, remains the same. Its content was reviewed by the U.S. Geological Survey and the Federal Emergency Management Agency for concurrence. "Drop, Cover, and Hold On" is CORRECT, accurate, and APPROPRIATE for use in the United States for Earthquake safety. Mr. Copp's assertions in his message that everyone is always crushed if they get under something is incorrect.

Recently, the American Red Cross became aware of a challenge to the earthquake safety advice "Drop, Cover, and Hold On." This is according to information from Mr. Doug Copp, the Rescue Chief and Disaster Manager of American Rescue Team International (a private company not affiliated with the U.S. Government or other agency.)

He says that going underneath objects during an earthquake [as in children being told to get under their desks at school] is very dangerous, and fatal should the building collapse in a strong earthquake. He also states that "everyone who gets under a doorway when a building collapses is killed." He further states that "if you are in bed when an earthquake happens, to roll out of bed next to it," and he also says that "If an earthquake happens while you are watching television and you cannot easily escape by getting out the door or window, then lie down and curl up in the fetal position next to a sofa, or large chair."

These recommendations are inaccurate for application in the United States and inconsistent with information developed through earthquake research.

Mr. Copp based his statements on observations of damage to buildings after an earthquake in Turkey. It is like "apples and oranges" to compare building construction standards, techniques, engineering principles, and construction materials between Turkey and the United States.

We at the American Red Cross have studied the research on the topic of earthquake safety for many years. We have benefited from extensive research done by the California Office of Emergency Services, California Seismic Safety Commission, professional and academic research organizations, and emergency management agencies, who have also studied the recommendation to "drop, cover, and hold on!" during the shaking of an earthquake.

Personally, I have also benefited from those who preceded me in doing earthquake education in California since the Field Act was passed in 1933. What the claims made by Mr. Copp of ARTI, Inc., does not seem to distinguish is that the recommendation to "drop, cover, and hold on!" is a U.S.-based recommendation based on U.S. Building Codes and construction standards. Much research in the United States has confirmed that "Drop, Cover, and Hold On!" has saved lives in the United States.

Engineering researchers have demonstrated that very few buildings collapse or "pancake" in the U.S. as they might do in other countries. Using a web site to show one picture of one U.S. building that had a partial collapse after a major quake in an area with thousands of buildings that did not collapse during the same quake is inappropriate and misleading.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), which collects data on injuries and deaths from all reportable causes in the U.S., as well as data from three University-based studies performed after the Loma Prieta (September, 1989) and Northridge (January, 1994) earthquakes in California, the following data are indicated:

Loma Prieta: 63 deaths, approximately 3,700 people were injured. Most injuries happened as a result of the collapse of the Cypress Street section of I-880 in Oakland.

Northridge: 57 deaths, 1,500 serious injuries. Most injuries were from falls caused by people trying to get out of their homes, or serious cuts and broken bones when people ran, barefooted, over broken glass (the earthquake happened in the early morning on a federal holiday when many people were still in bed.)

There were millions of people in each of these earthquake-affected areas, and of those millions, many of them reported to have "dropped, covered, and held on" during the shaking of the earthquake. Therefore, we contend that "Drop, Cover, and Hold On" indeed SAVED lives, not killed people.

Because the research continues to demonstrate that, in the U.S., "Drop, Cover, and Hold On!" works, the American Red Cross remains behind that recommendation. It is the simplest, reliable, and easiest method to teach people, including children.

The American Red Cross has not recommended to use a doorway for earthquake protection for more than a decade. The problem is that many doorways are not built into the structural integrity of a building, and may not offer protection. Also, simply put, doorways are not suitable for more than one person at a time.

The Red Cross, remaining consistent with the information published in "Talking About Disaster: Guide for Standard Messages," (visit http://www.disastereducation.org/guide.html ) states that if you are in bed when an earthquake happens, to remain there. Rolling out of bed may lead to being injured by debris on the floor next to the bed. If you have done a good job of earthquake mitigation (that is, removing pictures or mirrors that could fall on a bed; anchoring tall bedroom furniture to wall studs, and the like), then you are safer to stay in bed rather than roll out of it during the shaking of an earthquake.

Also, the Red Cross strongly advises not try to move (that is, escape) during the shaking of an earthquake. The more and the longer distance that someone tries to move, the more likely they are to become injured by falling or flying debris, or by tripping, falling, or getting cut by damaged floors, walls, and items in the path of escape. Identifying potential "void areas" and planning on using them for earthquake protection is more difficult to teach, and hard to remember for people who are not educated in earthquake engineering principles.

The Red Cross is not saying that identifying potential voids is wrong or inappropriate. What we are saying is that "Drop, Cover, and Hold On!" is NOT wrong -- in the United States. The American Red Cross, being a U.S.-based organization, does not extend its recommendations to apply in other countries. What works here may not work elsewhere, so there is no dispute that the "void identification method" or the "Triangle of Life" may indeed be the best thing to teach in other countries where the risk of building collapse, even in moderate earthquakes, is great.

Sincerely,

Rocky Lopes, PhD
Manager, Community Disaster Education Preparedness Department
American Red Cross National Headquarters


11 posted on 09/28/2004 7:48:35 PM PDT by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has already been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: WSGilcrest

thank you very much for posting this. I am printing it out.
Don't give up!! *wink*...you did great!!


12 posted on 09/28/2004 7:50:25 PM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: WSGilcrest

Very Important Things to do during an earthquake. It could save your life!

Hello friends and family!

If you're like me, you've been told to "duck and cover" or get under the door frame of a building during an earthquake. WRONG!

Take a few minutes to read some tips from an international safety expert that reveals new information about the "triangle effects" of earthquakes and how to be safe. This information can save our lives.

EXTRACT FROM DOUG COPP'S ARTICLE ON THE "TRIANGLE OF LIFE",
Edited by Larry Linn
for MAA Safety Committee brief on 4/13/04.

My name is Doug Copp. I am the Rescue Chief and Disaster Manager of the American Rescue Team International (ARTI), the world's most experienced rescue team. The information in this article will save lives in an earthquake. I have crawled inside 875 collapsed buildings, worked with rescue teams from 60 countries, founded rescue teams in several countries,and I am a member of many rescue teams from many countries. I was the United Nations expert in Disaster Mitigation for two years. I have worked at every major disaster in the world since 1985, except for simultaneous disasters. In 1996 we made a film which proved my survival methodology to be correct.

The Turkish Federal Government, City of Istanbul, University of Istanbul Case Productions and ARTI cooperated to film this practical, scientific test. We collapsed a school and a home with 20 mannequins inside. Ten mannequins did "duck and cover," and ten mannequins I used in my "triangle of life" survival method.

After the simulated earthquake collapse we crawled through the rubble and entered the building to film and document the results. The film, in which I practiced my survival techniques under directly observable, scientific conditions, relevant to building collapse, showed there would have been zero percent survival for those doing duck and cover. There would likely have been 100 percent survivability for people using my method of the "triangle of life." This film has been seen by millions of viewers on television in Turkey and the rest of Europe, and it was seen in the USA, Canada and Latin America on the TV program Real TV.

The first building I ever crawled inside of was a school in Mexico City during the 1985 earthquake. Every child was under their desk. Every child was crushed to the thickness of their bones. They could have survived by lying down next to their desks in the aisles. It was obscene, unnecessary and I wondered why the children were not in the aisles. I didn't at the time know that the children were told to hide under something. Simply stated, when buildings collapse, the weight of the ceilings falling upon the objects or furniture inside crushes these objects, leaving a space or void next to them. This space is what I call the "triangle of life". The larger the object, the stronger, the less it will compact. The less the object compacts, the larger the void, the greater the probability that the person who is using this void for safety will not be injured. The next time you watch collapsed buildings, on television, count the "triangles" you see formed. They are everywhere. It is the most common shape, you will see, in a collapsed building. They are everywhere.

TEN TIPS FOR EARTHQUAKE SAFETY

1. Most everyone who simply "ducks and covers" WHEN BUILDINGS COLLAPSE are crushed to death. People who get under objects, like desks or cars, are crushed.

2. Cats, dogs and babies often naturally curl up in the fetal position. You should too in an earthquake. It is a natural safety/survival instinct. You can survive in a smaller void. Get next to an object, next to a sofa, next to a large bulky object that will compress slightly but leave a void next to it.

3. Wooden buildings are the safest type of construction to be in during an earthquake. Wood is flexible and moves with the force of the earthquake. If the wooden building does collapse, large survival voids are created. Also, the wooden building has less concentrated, crushing weight. Brick buildings will break into individual bricks. Bricks will cause many injuries but less squashed bodies than concrete slabs.

4. If you are in bed during the night and an earthquake occurs, simply roll off the bed. A safe void will exist around the bed. Hotels can achieve a much greater survival rate in earthquakes, simply by posting a sign on the back of the door of every room telling occupants to lie down on the floor, next to the bottom of the bed during an earthquake.

5. If an earthquake happens and you cannot easily escape by getting out the door or window, then lie down and curl up in the fetal position next to a sofa, or large chair.

6. Most everyone who gets under a doorway when buildings collapse is killed. How? If you stand under a doorway and the doorjamb falls forward or backward you will be crushed by the ceiling above. If the door jam falls sideways you will be cut in half by the doorway. In either case, you will be killed!

7. Never go to the stairs. The stairs have a different "moment of frequency" (they swing separately from the main part of the building). The stairs and remainder of the building continuously bump into each other until structural failure of the stairs takes place. The people who get on stairs before they fail are chopped up by the stair treads - horribly mutilated. Even if the building doesn't collapse, stay away from the stairs. The stairs are a likely part of the building to be damaged. Even if the stairs are not collapsed by the earthquake, they may collapse later when overloaded by fleeing people. They should always be checked for safety, even when the rest of the building is not damaged.

8. Get Near the Outer Walls Of Buildings Or Outside Of Them If Possible.It is much better to be near the outside of the building rather than the interior. The farther inside you are from the outside perimeter of the building the greater the probability that your escape route will be blocked.

9. People inside of their vehicles are crushed when the road above falls in an earthquake and crushes their vehicles; which is exactly what happened with the slabs between the decks of the Nimitz Freeway. The victims of the San Francisco earthquake all stayed inside of their vehicles. They were all killed. They could have easily survived by getting out and sitting or lying next to their vehicles. Everyone killed would have survived if they had been able to get out of their cars and sit or lie next to them. All the crushed cars had voids 3 feet high next to them, except for the cars that had columns fall directly across them.

10.I discovered, while crawling inside of collapsed newspaper offices and other offices with a lot of paper that paper does not compact. Large voids are found surrounding stacks of paper.

Spread the word and save someone's life...


13 posted on 09/28/2004 7:51:44 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: umgud

In the '89 Loma Prieta Earthquake there was plenty of time to get under the table. I was in a meeting at work, and we all crawled under a table.


14 posted on 09/28/2004 7:51:59 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: luckystarmom

I was joking........


15 posted on 09/28/2004 7:53:23 PM PDT by umgud (speaking strictly as an infidel,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,)
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To: LA Conservative
oh oh....

See http://www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/triangle.asp

16 posted on 09/28/2004 7:54:05 PM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: pollywog

See my earlier post.

One thing that struck me about his guy, it seemed like there alot of braggery and patting himself on the back throughout this document, almost from the beginning. That was red flag for me.


17 posted on 09/28/2004 8:01:26 PM PDT by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has already been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: WSGilcrest

Oh this is wonderful. My son is a quad full grown and in the last two earthquakes here on the Oregon Coast I have had no clue what to do with him.

In our room he has a Cali King three pedastal high bed/water and there is a 5 by 7 foot area on the right side surrounded by work station tables, I converted his closet on that side to a work station.

So I could roll him onto the floor and cover him with the couch pad nearby.

Thank You Thank YOU THANK YOU for posting this article..

Part of my severe anxiety lately other than being an ex Cali quake survivor of 1989 is what to do to protect my son. I can get him out of bed but he is so big and flails I can't move him once down. For fire I have practiced putting his full body sling and a comforter down to drag him out his bedroom door to the outside and added a gate to the back of the deck right outside of his bedroom for rescue.

Plus I never cook or burn candles (have 3 labradors) unless I stay right there while cooking or put candles up higher than where the dogs can knock them over, and just use them if electricity goes out. They decor my home unlit. : )


18 posted on 09/28/2004 8:02:13 PM PDT by oceanperch ( Hurricanes,Earthquakes and Volcanoes.....What Next? GOD)
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To: WSGilcrest

This all appears to on the level of an urban legend.
See the info at http://www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/triangle.asp
and particularly the pdf file at
http://www.cert-la.com/RejoinderToDougCopp.pdf.
The author Doug Copp seems to be quite controversial and somewhat questionable.


19 posted on 09/28/2004 8:08:55 PM PDT by gregk7
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To: diamond6

I think what causes everyone to feel good about this article is that much of it does make sense when you really think about it. The problem is the author's credibility and yes, he seems to emphasize HIS part in all of this. I have always wondered about being in a doorway myself though. I have lived in Los Angeles all of my life and spent the Sylmar earthquake, Northridge, and even the Tehachipi Earthquake as a child, in doorjams.Been through all of the major earthquakes since 1941!!


20 posted on 09/28/2004 8:17:39 PM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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