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Ansari X-Prize Launch Live Thread (Update: LANDING SUCCESSFUL!)
09/29/04

Posted on 09/28/2004 6:36:19 PM PDT by KevinDavis

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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

I thought that was the XF-85 "Goblin" crashing that was shown in that intro. I could be wrong though.


461 posted on 09/29/2004 9:19:36 AM PDT by asgardshill (Got a lump of coal? Tell Mary Mapes to 'shove it' - in 2 weeks you'll have a diamond.)
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To: AFPhys
Guestimate answer: Approximately 30 roles over about 45 seconds.
462 posted on 09/29/2004 9:19:47 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Thrusher

This is America at its best.

It not the size of the men in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the men. That's why America is the worlds leader.


463 posted on 09/29/2004 9:21:20 AM PDT by B4Ranch (´´Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are our teeth for Liberty)
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To: Jonah Hex

Ah, ok, that makes sense. Thanks for the info. I agree about Mike. He walks with his shoes five feet apart, at least.


464 posted on 09/29/2004 9:21:25 AM PDT by lainie
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To: asgardshill; Robert A. Cook, PE

I don't think it was the X-15, either. The X-15 is what flew right.


465 posted on 09/29/2004 9:23:17 AM PDT by lainie
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To: asgardshill
The Edwards AFB Show Biz Page 4 page has images of the M2-F2 wreckage, with this comment: 'Footage of the crash on Rogers Dry Lake of the M2-F2 lifting body was shown weekly on the TV series "The Six Million Dollar Man."'
466 posted on 09/29/2004 9:25:09 AM PDT by Mike Fieschko ("How dare you question my [^.*$]. Did you know I served in the Clone Wars?")
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To: Ashamed Canadian

The Canadian entry was going to fly next week but has been delayed a little. They will fly, and others will fly even after the prize is either won or expires. The trick is to turn this into a profitable business.


467 posted on 09/29/2004 9:25:19 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: Truth29

Thank you much. Anybody who disagrees with this please weigh in.

That's not really a very fast roll rate for any high performance aircraft. I can see why the pilot was not overly concerned. I doubt that the control system for this craft was designed to create a roll rate that high, but given that it really wasn't near the ground and pointed virtually straight up, it could take its time bringing it back under control.

It will be interesting to hear what the cause of the situation was. The "wind shear" explanation doesn't hack it.


468 posted on 09/29/2004 9:25:37 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: KevinDavis

My question is, who went up with him? If memory serves, one of the Xprize requirements was that the flight must include two passengers along with the pilot/astronaut.


469 posted on 09/29/2004 9:27:14 AM PDT by MattGarrett
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To: Mike Fieschko

I stand corrected - it was the M2-F2.


470 posted on 09/29/2004 9:27:48 AM PDT by asgardshill (Got a lump of coal? Tell Mary Mapes to 'shove it' - in 2 weeks you'll have a diamond.)
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To: lainie
The X-15 had an engine explode and had some crashes.
471 posted on 09/29/2004 9:27:50 AM PDT by Mike Fieschko ("How dare you question my [^.*$]. Did you know I served in the Clone Wars?")
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To: asgardshill

I'm finding the Goblin (F-85) was the small fighter loaded beneath a B-36 ....

Lifting wing prototype was the crash maybe? Couple of others have referenced that one.


472 posted on 09/29/2004 9:28:48 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: RightWhale

My take is that the "canadian entry" (if successful) will be better able to make money, but that SS1 is sexier. Kind of like the difference between first class and coach passengers... Given the choice, as an investor after it is proven, I would go with it. After that, I'd spend the money I made on the stock by flying SS1.


473 posted on 09/29/2004 9:29:56 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: MattGarrett

Two passengers or appropriate ballast (which he had)


474 posted on 09/29/2004 9:30:43 AM PDT by lainie
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To: MattGarrett

X-Prize rules stipulate that you can carry two passengers or the equivalent of ballast. They just had the equivalent weight on board.


475 posted on 09/29/2004 9:31:09 AM PDT by Brett66 (Dan Rather, the most busted man in America.)
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To: Mike Fieschko

Right, now I'm wrapping my head around it. I'm easily confused, can you tell :)


476 posted on 09/29/2004 9:32:06 AM PDT by lainie
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To: asgardshill

Yuppers:

The M2-F2 made its 16th glide flight on May 10, 1967. This was to have been the last flight before igniting the XLR-11 rocket engine for powered flight. As pilot Bruce Peterson neared the lakebed, the M2-F2 suffered a pilot induced oscillation (PIO). Peterson recovered but then was distracted by a rescue helicopter that seemed to pose a risk of collision. Distracted, Peterson drifted in a cross-wind to an unmarked area of the lakebed where it was very difficult to judge the height over the lakebed because of a lack of the guidance the markers provided on the lakebed runway. Although Peterson fired the landing rockets to provide additional lift, he hit the lakebed before the landing gear was fully down and locked. He rolled over six times. Pulled from the vehicle by Jay King and Joseph Huxman, Peterson was rushed to the base hospital, transferred to March Air Force Base and then the UCLA Hospital. He recovered but lost vision in his right eye due to a staph infection.


477 posted on 09/29/2004 9:33:20 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/M2-F2/HTML/E-16731.html

ref site.


478 posted on 09/29/2004 9:33:49 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

I think you're right. The Goblin was designed to be carried with a B-36 to provide instant fighter support. It was designed to be lowered from the B-36's bomb bay on a trapeze-type arrangement, fly out and do its job, then dock with the trapeze and be pulled back into the bomb bay.


479 posted on 09/29/2004 9:34:54 AM PDT by asgardshill (Got a lump of coal? Tell Mary Mapes to 'shove it' - in 2 weeks you'll have a diamond.)
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To: AFPhys
The "wind shear" explanation doesn't hack it.

Vortexing?

480 posted on 09/29/2004 9:37:53 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Three choices: War on Terror, submit to Islam, or die.)
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