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Show me your papers please? What happened to the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated??


145 posted on 09/28/2004 12:10:24 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
Show me your papers please? What happened to the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated??

Ummm....I didn't advocate any of that stuff in my post.

I don't see how I don't see how I could have been more clear in proposing that when employers break our laws by hiring non-legal workers they are prosecuted if warranted and convicted by a jury of their peers if the evidence against them is sound.

I don't want anyone kicking down the doors at Tyson Foods. But serving a legal warrant for a specific charge[s] is quite proper. That's how our legal system works.

403 posted on 09/28/2004 3:33:46 PM PDT by citizen (Write-in Tom Tancredo for President/Jeff Flake VP 2004!)
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To: Jim Robinson
"Show me your papers please? What happened to the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated??"

That's a little overboard. A business isn't a private residence. Also as far as I know, anytime a business is investigated for something like this warrants are obtained, and all laws are obeyed just as in any other criminal case.

It has been law for a number of years now that an employer verify that a new employee have a valid Social Security card and ID. I know, because every new job I've gotten for at least last 12 years required me to show I had both.

There is also an existing federal ID verification system that could be expanded to allow all employers to use it to verify the id a new employee presents.

As for punishment maybe I'm misunderstanding your posts, but how can you say it's some kind of violation of constitutional rights to enforce the law against lawbreakers?

If a business is knowingly violating the law then they should be punished. Personally I feel the punishment for hiring illegals should be harsh including large fines and possible prison time.

426 posted on 09/28/2004 3:51:26 PM PDT by Klickitat
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To: Jim Robinson
Show me your papers please? What happened to the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated??

One teeny little thing: you know as well as I do that the initial concept of "the right of the people..." referred to citizens not invaders in red coats or any other color. Can you imagine the first Americans granting citizenship to the bastard child of a Hessian?

804 posted on 09/29/2004 12:46:09 AM PDT by Publius6961 (I, also, don't do diplomacy.)
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