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Bush: Militarizing Border Won't Stop Illegal Deluge
Newsmax.com ^ | Monday, Sept. 27, 2004 11:07 p.m. EDT

Posted on 09/27/2004 11:40:43 PM PDT by Robert Lomax

The U.S. has no plans to deploy troops along the Mexican border to stanch the deluge of illegal aliens currently pouring into the country at the rate of 3 million per year, President Bush said in an interview broadcast on Monday.

"As the governor of Texas, I was very aware of this issue," Bush told Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly.

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"There is a long border, that makes it hard to control. We have beefed up places along the border to try to stop" the flow, he said. When told that his policy didn't seem to be working, Bush insisted, "It’s working a little better.

"They're doing a pretty good job down in Arizona, which is the main border crossing. ... I think there's a thousand more border patrol agents along the border. We’re modernizing border techniques, we’re using better surveillance methods to stop this crossing at the border."

The president contended, however, that illegal immigration was driven primarily by the economic realities of the region.

"If you can make 50 cents in the interior of Mexico and five bucks in the interior of the United States, you're coming for the five bucks," he explained.

"I happen to believe the best way to enhance the border is to have temporary-worker cards available for people," he said. "I think the long-term solution for this issue on our border is for Mexico to grow a middle class. That's why I believe in NAFTA."

When warned that "a lot of people are not going to like that answer," Bush told O'Reilly, "Well it’s a, a truthful answer."


TOPICS: Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; bordersecurity; bush; bushamnesty; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; immigration; issues; spottheretread; terrorism
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To: Advil
There was more spanish being spoken than english. We couldn't tell what country we were in. It's getting worse, FAST. We're about to lose our whole damn city to these people... in OREGON.

I know the feeling. I'd say there is another million illegals in the Houston area alone. When you take into account other cities, both small and large, that have hordes of illegals the numbers are staggering. Yes, I totally believe there are millions upon millions of illegals in the US, with more on the way. Thanks a lot Dubya, for not even caring.

481 posted on 09/28/2004 4:42:32 PM PDT by dougherty (I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. - Michelangelo)
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To: radicalamericannationalist

Do you suppose they'll all re-register to FR under another name after we're attacked or will they continue on with their pali-stinian, Vicente Fox-like spin..? Or just leave...


482 posted on 09/28/2004 4:42:33 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a veil for MASS MURDERS. Save your time...)
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To: Barlowmaker

Correction: "The Irish and Catholics"

They would have hated Italians.


483 posted on 09/28/2004 4:43:04 PM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: Barlowmaker
Again, the current immigration wave cannot be analogized to the earlier waves. I suggest you read the titles I gave you. Neither Prof. Hanson or Prof. Huntington are foaming at the mouth lunatics. Rather, they have taken a sober look at history and the present situation and are deeply concerned.
484 posted on 09/28/2004 4:44:52 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (Kurtz had the right answer but the wrong location.)
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To: dougherty
Yes, I totally believe there are millions upon millions of illegals in the US, with more on the way. Thanks a lot Dubya, for not even caring.

You need a hug.

485 posted on 09/28/2004 4:45:41 PM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: moehoward; Jim Robinson; yall
To: Jim Robinson
Your question was, "How are the employers going to know if an employee is here legally or not?"
I am providing you a way to be 99% sure.

If you are against any form of government ID, there is no way to know if they are "legal" "illegal" or from what country they are from.
432 moehoward

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You are correct. And that's exactly what the constitution says. Private information is none of the government's business.

Guess they'd better beef up the BP so they can catch the illegals in the act of crossing and or come up with some sort of economic incentive for illegals to go home.
454 JR


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The proposed 'Fair Tax' scheme would provide that economic incentive..

It would abolish income taxes & SS deductions for a 20% [or more] federal sales tax on EVERY new product or service, even food/clothes/etc.

Illegals would have to pay the tax, but they would not be reimbursed, as would citizens.
In effect an illegals cost of living would go up by whatever the individual tax rebate would set at.
For illegals with families, it would probably price them out of our labor market.
486 posted on 09/28/2004 4:47:39 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: Barlowmaker
I give you the statistics you demanded and you scoff at some other numbers. What's that about?

Mexico has 130 million people.

So? At what point do you consider our sovereignty compromised. Should we just consider mexicans de facto citizens of the United States?

487 posted on 09/28/2004 4:48:24 PM PDT by raybbr
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To: ApesForEvolution
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Ummm... What does that mean?

488 posted on 09/28/2004 4:50:37 PM PDT by raybbr
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To: raybbr

You are a star...lol


489 posted on 09/28/2004 4:51:14 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a veil for MASS MURDERS. Save your time...)
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To: raybbr

What were u thinking it could mean?


490 posted on 09/28/2004 4:52:52 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a veil for MASS MURDERS. Save your time...)
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To: dougherty
Thanks a lot Dubya, for not even caring.

Just think. If W gets reelected, he'll continue his two-track Mexico-merger plan (stealth matricula-card amnesty plus overt amesty-global-labor-pool legislation). And if W goes down to Kerry, it'll be just as bad, though still more politically correct (JFK will speed muslim immigration even more to show "fairness").

Hunker down and hope for a decent choice in 2008.

491 posted on 09/28/2004 4:53:09 PM PDT by dagnabbit (Prevent the next 9-11. Stop Islamic immigration and deport Muslim aliens.)
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To: radicalamericannationalist
But sKerry is worse

I'm sick of voting for the "lessor of two evils". That's not what this country was founded for.

I get a choice between a someone who allows the country to be invaded illegally on a daily basis, and a freak tax-addicted flip-flopper who's wife makes money on freaking Ketchup.

What has this country come to. What does it freaking matter any more?

In 12 years Vicente Fox will be el Presidente' (I think he is already) and none of this crap will matter.

I'm writing someone in on Election day. Anybody. Maybe Jim Rob. Maybe even you. I'm sure you couldn't screw up worse.

Neither of these Treasonous individuals have earned my vote.

492 posted on 09/28/2004 4:53:37 PM PDT by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English)
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To: ApesForEvolution
What were u thinking it could mean?

I had no idea. Thanks for the compliment. I am not real big on instant message shortkeyboard.

493 posted on 09/28/2004 4:54:58 PM PDT by raybbr
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To: Jim Robinson
Yeah, the how to do it type questions are legitimate and sticky to be sure.

First the will to investigate must be there. It can be done legally: Remember the Walmart mess a year or so ago?

I just can't throw up my hands and say forget it because someone will have to investigate and ask questions. LEOs do that every day they are on the job.

Something like this: Investagate a suspected business & if warranted, have the appropriate DHS agency audit the workforce at the poultry plant. Check the worker public personal data on file (address, etc.), if it's phoney, ask for greater cooperation from the business. Repeat if necessary. Eventually, if the problem persists, require the business to validate their workforce as legal at their expence for a 5-year period. Stiff fines and possible incarceratioon for continued violations and those responsible.

Are such laws on the books? I don't know. But the above seems fair to honest businessmen. They screw up, they fix it, no problem. They don't fix it, they pay the price.

Charge me $1.00 more for my chicken wings order.

Gotta take my vitamins and get ready for the President on O'Reilly.

494 posted on 09/28/2004 4:55:13 PM PDT by citizen (Write-in Tom Tancredo for President/Jeff Flake VP 2004!)
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To: azhenfud

lol, that sounded like a political stump speech. Too bad you're not on the ballot, I would definitely vote for you over the two illegal alien loving guys running for office now.


495 posted on 09/28/2004 4:55:17 PM PDT by dougherty (I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. - Michelangelo)
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To: raybbr

I understand the inexorable dynamics of markets. Labor is one.

Somebody is roofing in Las Vegas in July. It's integral to the economy. It ain't the students on summer break from Stanford and ASU.

I embrace those guys. Honestly. They are foreign nationals, but they are better Americans than third generation big butted welfare queens.

Let's acknowledge the power of people wanting to help themselves. Let's understand we're a nation of immigrants. Let's understand that Democrat socialist welfare corruption has tainted the process of people leaving their country to find a better life here.

I focus my contempt at the RATS and their bureaucratic and Judicial enablers. That's the SOURCE of our illegal immigration plague.

Why do dumbos on FR blame Bush and Hutchinson? It's easy.



496 posted on 09/28/2004 4:55:24 PM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: Barlowmaker
Koo ... keee.

Cookie?

WTF?

Oh thank goodness for the intellectual members of voting public like this individual!

497 posted on 09/28/2004 4:57:25 PM PDT by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English)
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To: Stu Cohen
Oh, I'm not in any way enamored of the choices we have. I just think we have a perfect storm of political factors coming together that makes us need the least bad candidate to win or I truly fear for the survival of the US. That said, I'm thinking that once this election is over we have to get to work on making lots of RINO-burgers.
498 posted on 09/28/2004 4:58:52 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (Kurtz had the right answer but the wrong location.)
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To: Klickitat

If I had a practical solution I'd be screaming it from the rooftops. All I know is I'm pretty dead set against some of the proposed solutions I've seen so far on this forum. As I've said before, I don't think the long term solution to a what is basically an economic problem is to militarize the border or build a wall around our nation or criminalize our employers or deprive our citizens of their constitutional rights.


499 posted on 09/28/2004 5:00:22 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: radicalamericannationalist
Oh, I'm not in any way enamored of the choices we have

But isn't that a sad, sad commentary on the state of affairs in America.

We don't get to vote for someone who will do the right thing, we have to vote for someone who will do fewer bad things.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but it wasn't supposed to be this way.

This is not what our men and women are fighting for, or have fought for since the 1700's.

500 posted on 09/28/2004 5:01:01 PM PDT by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English)
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