Posted on 09/27/2004 11:40:43 PM PDT by Robert Lomax
The U.S. has no plans to deploy troops along the Mexican border to stanch the deluge of illegal aliens currently pouring into the country at the rate of 3 million per year, President Bush said in an interview broadcast on Monday.
"As the governor of Texas, I was very aware of this issue," Bush told Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly.
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"There is a long border, that makes it hard to control. We have beefed up places along the border to try to stop" the flow, he said. When told that his policy didn't seem to be working, Bush insisted, "It’s working a little better.
"They're doing a pretty good job down in Arizona, which is the main border crossing. ... I think there's a thousand more border patrol agents along the border. We’re modernizing border techniques, we’re using better surveillance methods to stop this crossing at the border."
The president contended, however, that illegal immigration was driven primarily by the economic realities of the region.
"If you can make 50 cents in the interior of Mexico and five bucks in the interior of the United States, you're coming for the five bucks," he explained.
"I happen to believe the best way to enhance the border is to have temporary-worker cards available for people," he said. "I think the long-term solution for this issue on our border is for Mexico to grow a middle class. That's why I believe in NAFTA."
When warned that "a lot of people are not going to like that answer," Bush told O'Reilly, "Well it’s a, a truthful answer."
I've been all over this like white on rice...we ARE asleep at the switch and Americans WILL die again, needlessly. Crying shame...
I don't like the idea of using social security numbers as ID numbers. In fact, I'm hoping we can privatize the system sooner than later. Can't see expanding it or finding new uses for it. Am fundamentally opposed to any form of federal ID system.
Agreed.
Ha, no way will I vote for another Bush. Jeb, please stay in Florida.
That's a little overboard. A business isn't a private residence. Also as far as I know, anytime a business is investigated for something like this warrants are obtained, and all laws are obeyed just as in any other criminal case.
It has been law for a number of years now that an employer verify that a new employee have a valid Social Security card and ID. I know, because every new job I've gotten for at least last 12 years required me to show I had both.
There is also an existing federal ID verification system that could be expanded to allow all employers to use it to verify the id a new employee presents.
As for punishment maybe I'm misunderstanding your posts, but how can you say it's some kind of violation of constitutional rights to enforce the law against lawbreakers?
If a business is knowingly violating the law then they should be punished. Personally I feel the punishment for hiring illegals should be harsh including large fines and possible prison time.
I called Time-Warner yesterday morning with an issue regarding my cable internet service and one of the customer service reps asked me to provide the last four digits of my SSN as a security measure.
I don't recall ever giving my SSN to them. Ugh.
He may be. It will be interesting to see if it goes anywhere, and what he and the other Washington players think is 'fair'.
And the small cadre of "Truest Conservatives" on FR will be providing blocking support.
What else is new?
From the Wash Times link above re: al-Qaeda and the Americas -
"Although they are actively involved in alien, drug and weapons smuggling, Mara Salvatrucha members in America also have been tied to numerous killings, robberies, burglaries, carjackings, extortions, rapes and aggravated assaults — including at least seven killings in Virginia and a machete attack on a 16-year-old in Alexandria that severely mutilated his hands.
The Salvadoran gang, known to law enforcement authorities as MS-13 because many members identify themselves with tattoos of the number 13, is thought to have established a major smuggling center in Matamoros, Mexico, just south of Brownsville, Texas, from where it has arranged to bring illegal aliens from countries other than Mexico into the United States"
Your question was, "How are the employers going to know if an employee is here legally or not?" I am providing you a way to be 99% sure.
If you are against any form of government ID, there is no way to know if they are "legal" "illegal" or from what country they are from.
The Washington Times is a RAT afilliate now?
The US will learn the hard way when the next terror attack occurs and the terrorists are found to have entered the US through the Mexican border.
More from the RAT Washington Times:
"Authorities said al Qaeda terrorists hope to take advantage of a lack of detention space within the Department of Homeland Security that has forced immigration officials to release non-Mexican illegal aliens back into the United States, rather than return them to their home countries.
Less than 15 percent of those released appear for immigration hearings. Nearly 60,000 illegal aliens designated as other-than-Mexican, or OTMs, were detained last year along the U.S.-Mexico border.
El Shukrijumah, born in Saudi Arabia but thought to be a Yemen national, was spotted in Tegucigalpa, Honduras, in July, having crossed the border illegally from Nicaragua after a stay in Panama. U.S. authorities said al Qaeda operatives have been in Tegucigalpa planning attacks against British, Spanish and U.S. embassies.
Known to carry passports from Saudi Arabia, Trinidad, Guyana and Canada, El Shukrijumah had sought meetings with the Mara Salvatrucha gang leaders who control alien-smuggling routes through Mexico and into the United States.
El Shukrijumah, 29, who authorities said was in Canada last year looking for nuclear material for a so-called "dirty bomb" and reportedly has family members in Guyana, was named in a March 2003 material-witness arrest warrant by federal prosecutors in Northern Virginia, where U.S. Attorney Paul J. McNulty said he is sought in connection with potential terrorist threats against the United States.
A former southern Florida resident and pilot thought to have helped plan the September 11 attacks, El Shukrijumah was among seven suspected al Qaeda operatives identified in May by Attorney General John Ashcroft as being involved in plans to strike new targets in the United States."
The Washington Times looks for evocative stories.
From the Washington Times:
"Citing "credible intelligence from multiple sources," Mr. Ashcroft said at the time that El Shukrijumah posed "a clear and present danger to America." In August, an FBI alert described him as "armed and dangerous" and a major threat to homeland security.
Earlier this month, Mr. Ashcroft confirmed that U.S. border agents and inspectors had ramped up efforts to find El Shukrijumah amid reports that the al Qaeda leader was thought to be seeking entry routes into the United States along the U.S.-Mexico border.
Mr. Ashcroft noted that increased enforcement efforts were under way in the wake of a rise of arrests of border jumpers from Afghanistan, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Pakistan, the Philippines, Saudi Arabia and Syria.
Authorities said Mara Salvatrucha gang members moved into the Los Angeles area in the 1980s and developed a reputation for being organized and extremely violent. The gang since has expanded into the Washington area, including Virginia and Maryland, and into Oregon, Alaska, Texas, Nevada, Utah, Oklahoma, Illinois, Michigan, New York, Georgia and Florida.
More than 3,000 Mara Salvatrucha gang members are thought to be in the Washington area, with a major operation in Northern Virginia. Other gang centers, authorities said, include Montgomery and Prince George's counties and the Hispanic neighborhoods of Washington.
Mr. McNulty, whose office has prosecuted Mara Salvatrucha gang members, has described the organization as the "gang of greatest interest" to law enforcement authorities. He said gang members are recruited predominantly from Hispanic communities and typically among juveniles, some as young as 13. Recruits are "jumped" into the gang by being beaten by members while others count to 13, he said.
Gang rules, he said, are indoctrinated into new recruits and ruthlessly enforced. Those who cooperate with law enforcement are given the "green light," he said, meaning that the gang had approved their killing."
I agree with you. There is a utopian ideal and then there is the reality of the present. SS numbers have been used for decades now, and if they are good enough to use for legal citizens then they are good enough to use to help find and deport criminals, and prosecute those who aid and abet those criminals.
Citizen said: I , nor anyone AFAIK, is proposing America: The Prison. I favor walls where necessary with gates or checkpoints where all of legal status, permanent or temporary, enter and exit as they please. Our southern border warants increased security. ...
Sorry, but it sounds like it to me. I don't want to live in an America, or anyhwere, where we need walls to keep people in or out. If it ever came to needing such things...we have other methods at our disposal, like altering the terrain and electronic monitoring, etc. But, I will stand by my assertions and agree with the President; helping others become more responsible, creating a level playing field, and toning down our anti Mexican rhetoric will go a lot farther. I want people to see into our Country, to yearn, ache even, to be here, become a part of us. A wall only says..."we don't want you, we don't need you, we don't care about you". The reality couldn't be farther from the truth.
The illegal Mexicans that you see might not respect our laws, but neither do the illegal Russians, Chineese, or Haitians...we have shown them, by our collective actions, you don't need to. Just look at what the Dums have done to our Country, we are living in a society where a good liar is respected. Where a President can lie under oath, denying the civil rights of people who accuse him, and can get away with, possibly, murder. Why would a Mexican guy who only wants to earn a living give a crap about an immigration law? Unless we teach him to.
So, you don't think the EU is a formidable competitor? Ask boeing, or look at daimler-chrysler, or bayer, or commerze bank, or microsoft...I could on for about 20 lines here.
Competition doesn't come just from competing businesses, it comes from manipulation, also.
Re: Giving the hug...those ARE the terms I meant.
My solution is NOT like our current system. I think, maybe, I didn't explain it well. I was talking about resident status, not Citizenship. I want people to value just the privledge of being here, not only becoming a Citizen. It's no where close to what I was suggesting.
You really don't think the public is un-aware and uncaring? Just look at the polls. Most Americans think of Mexicans as sleazy, welfare receiving, non tax paying, scummers, who slip across the border in the middle of the night to steal. The reality is...I grew up in Los Angeles. That picture is not one that I found to be true. Are there abusers? Yup. The stats show the percentages of Americans vs non-Americans abusing the system is far greater...only one of the court's considerations in throwing out prop 187.
Perception is a very powerful tool. Just ask Terry McAuliff.
Give Us Your Tired, Your Poor, Your Huddled Masses...
America, the Land of the Free, the Home of the Brave!
...and let's keep it that way.
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