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THE AMERICAN SYSTEM VS. BRITISH FREE TRADE LOOTING
American Almanac ^ | 1995 | Marcia Merry-Baker and Anton Chaitkin

Posted on 09/27/2004 4:16:06 PM PDT by Destro

Henry Carey and William McKinley:

THE AMERICAN SYSTEM VS. BRITISH FREE TRADE LOOTING

by Marcia Merry-Baker and Anton Chaitkin

Printed in the American Almanac, 1995

What Is the American System?

U.S. citizens, and even economists and historians in this country, have often never heard of the "American System" of economics which made our nation great. Worse yet, many confuse it with the British System of free trade and looting.

In the nineteenth century, however, our leading statesmen not only understood the American System, but promoted it, and campaigned for it, in their political speeches. They understood that our nation, even the world, was in a life or death battle against the British System of economics.

Americans must understand that their noble identity lies in fighting the British system of economics. That is the only pathway out of the current crisis.

Here, we begin a series of articles explaining the American System in the words of national leaders who implemented it, such as Alexander Hamilton, John Quincy Adams, and Abraham Lincoln. We begin with from the writings and speeches of President Lincoln's economics adviser, Henry C. Carey, and President William McKinley, both before and after he entered the White House in 1896. The ferocity of the political battle between America and our historical adversary Great Britain, an implacable adversary of American System economics, is attested to by the fact that McKinley, America's 25th President, was assassinated by British-linked anarchist Leon Czolgosz, six months after his election to a second term in 1900. The Anglophile Teddy Roosevelt, who reversed all of the Lincoln-McKinley economic policies, took office.

From Henry Carey's Harmony of Interests, 1851

Henry C. Carey, adviser to Abraham Lincoln, and perhaps the leading American System economist, wrote extensively exposing the failure of the British free trade approach and demonstrating the success of the American System. The following comes from Henry Carey's book, The Harmony of Interests, written in 1851. ``Much is said of `the mission' of the people of these United States, and most of it is said by persons who appear to limit themselves to the consideration of the powers of the nation, and rarely to think of its duties.

``Two systems are before the world; the one looks to increasing the proportion of persons and of capital engaged in trade and transportation, and therefore to diminishing the proportion engaged in producing commodities with which to trade, with necessarily diminished return to the labour of all; while the other looks to increasing the proportion engaged in the work of production, and diminishing that engaged in trade and transportation, with increased return to all, giving to the labourer good wages, and to the owner of capital good profits. One looks to increasing the quantity of raw materials to be exported, and diminishing the inducements to the import of men, thus impoverishing both farmer and planter by throwing on them the burden of freight; while the other looks to increasing the import of men, and diminishing the export of raw materials, thereby enriching both planter and farmer by relieving them from the payment of freight. One looks to compelling the farmers and planters of the Union to continue their contributions for the support of the fleets and armies, the paupers, the nobles and the sovereigns of Europe; the other to enabling ourselves to apply the same means to the moral and intellectual improvement of the sovereigns of America. One looks to the continuance of that bastard freedom of trade which denies the principle of protection, yet doles it out as revenue duties; the other to extending the area of legitimate free trade by the establishment of perfect protection, followed by the annexation of individuals and communities, and ultimately by the abolition of custom-houses. One looks to exporting men to occupy desert tracts, the sovereignty of which is obtained by aid of diplomacy or war; the other to increasing the value of an immense extent of vacant land by importing men by millions for their occupation. One looks to increasing the necessity for commerce; the other to increasing the power to maintain it. One looks to underworking the Hindoo, and sinking the rest of the world to his level; the other to raising the standard of man throughout the world to our level. One looks to pauperism, ignorance, depopulation, and barbarism; the other in increasing wealth, comfort, intelligence, combination of action, and civilization. One looks towards universal war; the other towards universal peace. One is the English system; the other we may be proud to call the American system, for it is the only one ever devised the tendency of which was that of elevating while equalizing the condition of man throughout the world.

``Such is the true mission of the people of these United States.... To raise the value of labour throughout the world, we need only to raise the value of our own.... To improve the political condition of man throughout the world, it is that we ourselves should remain at peace, avoid taxation for maintenance of fleets and armies, and become rich and prosperous.... To diffuse intelligence and to promote the cause of morality throughout the world, we are required only to pursue the course that shall diffuse education throughout our own land, and shall enable every man more readily to acquire property, and with it respect for the rights of property. To substitute true Christianity for the detestable system known as the Malthusian, it is needed that we prove to the world that it is population that makes the food come from the rich soils, and food tends to increase more rapidly than population, thus vindicating the policy of God to man."

Carey attacked British Free Trade economics as a system that destroys national agro-industrial productivity, reduces consumption, destroys freedom, and causes war:

``Two systems are before the world: on the one hand, that which is denominated protection, and on the other that which is denominated free-trade. ``A great error exists in the impression now very commonly entertained in regard to national division of labour, and which owes its origin to the English school of political economists, whose system is throughout based upon the idea of making England `the workshop of the world,' than which nothing could be less natural. By that school it is taught that some nations are fitted for manufacturers and others for the labours of agriculture, and that the latter are largely benefitted by being compelled to employ themselves in the one pursuit, making all their exchanges at a distance, thus contributing their share to the maintenance of the system of `ships, colonies, and commerce.' The whole basis of their system is conversion and exchange, and not production, yet neither makes any addition to the amount of things to be exchanged. It is the great boast of their system that the exchangers are so numerous and the producers so few, and the proportion which the former bear to the latter, the more rapid is supposed to be the advance towards perfect prosperity. Converters and exchangers, however, must live, and they must live out of the labour of others: and if three, five, or ten persons are to live on the product of one, it must follow that all will obtain but a small allowance of the necessaries or comforts of life, as is seen to be the case.

``The object of free-trade is proclaimed to be the increase of commerce, but commerce withers under it.

``We thus have here, first, a system that is unsound and unnatural, and second, a theory invented for the purpose of accounting for the poverty and wretchedness which are its necessary results.

``The object of what is now called free-trade is that of securing to the people of England the further existence of the monopoly of machinery, by aid of which Ireland and India have been ruined, and commerce prostrated. Protection seeks to break down this monopoly, and to cause the loom and the anvil to take their natural places by the side of the food and the cotton, and that production may be increased, and that commerce may revive....

``The object of protection has been, and is, to restore the natural tendency by which industrial manufacturing takes its place by the side of the producer of food (national self-sufficiency), thus reducing substantially transportation fees and middle men sales costs and bringing about the stabler self-sufficient communities and nations."

McKinley vs. Free Trade

William McKinley was a U.S. Congressman in 1882 when he spoke on the tariff policy, and on the social conditions won for the people by nationalists associated with Abraham Lincoln. McKinley distinguished between a low tariff for purposes of collecting tax revenue only, and a higher tariff which deliberately protects native industries against trade war by foreign powers.

McKinley asked his fellow Congressmen: who originated the free trade, low tariff policy?

``Who has demanded a tariff for revenue only.... What portion of our citizens? What part of our population? not the agriculturalist; not the laborer; not the mechanic; not the manufacturer; [there is] not a petition before us, to my knowledge, asking for an adjustment of tariff rates to a revenue basis."

Congressman McKinley answered his own question: ``England wants it, demands it--not for our good, but for hers; for she is more anxious to maintain her old position of supremacy than she is to promote the interests and welfare of the people of this republic, and a great party in this country voices her interest.... She would manufacture for us, and permit us to raise wheat and corn for her. We are satisfied to do the latter, but unwilling to concede to her the monopoly of the former."

The future President then explained why the British system was not appropriate to the United States: ``...|Free trade may be suitable to Great Britain and its peculiar social and political structure, but it has no place in this republic, where classes are unknown, and where caste has long since been banished; where equality is a rule; where labor is dignified and honorable; where education and improvement are the individual striving of every citizen, no matter what may be the accident of his birth, or the poverty of his early surroundings. Here the mechanic of today is the manufacturer of a few years hence. Under such conditions, free trade can have no abiding place here."

American System Agriculture

Five years later, on Dec. 13, 1887, Congressman McKinley spoke to a farmers' organization called the Ohio State Grange. He set forth the political reasoning behind his agricultural policy. It was the policy of the American Revolution, and of Abraham Lincoln, who had given free land to family farmers. It was an argument for the practical realization of the democratic republic, against the European feudal system. What McKinley said is still valid today against the British-Swiss food cartels, and a rebuke to populists misguided by British anti-industrial propaganda:

``Tell me how land is held, and I can tell you almost to a certainty the political system of the coutry, its form of government, and its political character. When land is divided into small farms, the property ... of those who till them, there is an inducement, ambition, and facility for independence, for progress, for wider thought and higher attainments in individual, industrial life. Over such a population no government but a free one, under equal laws and equal rights, with equal opportunities, can exist for any length of time. The small farm, thoroughly worked, was the ancient model, commended by the early sages and philosophers; as old Virgil put it, `Praise a large farm, cultivate a small one.'

``We must avoid in this country the holding of large tracts of land by non-resident owners for speculative purposes, and set our faces like flint against alien land-holding in small or large tracts. Our public domain must be re-dedicated to our own people, and neither foreign syndicates nor domestic corporations must be permitted to divert it from the hallowed purposes of actual settlement by real farmers.

``One of the great lessons of history is that agriculture cannot rise to its highest perfection and reach its fullest development without the aid of commerce, manufactures, and mechanical arts. All are essential to the healthy growth and highest advancement of the others; the progress of one insures the prosperity of the others. There are no conflicts, there should be no antagonisms. They are indispensable to each other. Whatever enfeebles one is certain to cripple the rest."

Congress passed in 1890 a great protectionist tariff bill, which was known as the "McKinley Act," in honor of its author who was the principal spokesman for the nationalist policy. McKinley commented that his 1890 Act had "no friends in Europe."

Having been elected Ohio's governor, William McKinley spoke in Boston Oct. 4, 1892, on the purposes of his legislation. He showed how the strong-central-government economic system, identified with American Revolution and with Lincoln's American Union, improves life for the common people, as compared to the British Free Trade system:

"We ... are opposed to British political economy.... Free trade shaves down [the workingman's] labor first, and then scales down his pay by rewarding him in a worthless and depreciated State currency."

On the question of federal government control of currency and credit, McKinley told the Boston crowd: "The currency of this country should be as national as its flag. It should be as unsullied as the national conscience and as sound as the government itself. And there is not a business man or working man, no matter to what political party he belongs, if he will honestly vote his convictions, who will not vote against the party that proposes to re-establish a system under which this country lost millions upon millions of dollars. We have had all the Confederate currency we want. We are for a United States currency in some form for all time in the future. We are not only opposed to Confederate currency, but we are opposed to British political economy. We not only fight for our industries and our labor, that they may be prosperous and well-paid, but we insist that when they have earned their money they shall be paid in a dollar worth full one hundred cents. When a workingman gives ten hours a day to his employer--ten full hours--he is entitled to be paid in a dollar worth full one hundred cents. Free trade shaves down his labor first, and then scales down his pay by rewarding him in a worthless and a depreciated State currency."

On the protective tariff, McKinley said:

``[Anti-nationalists say] that protection is unconstitutional.... I know of but one constitution which it violates and that is the constitution of the Confederate [slave] States.... But we are not operating under it. That instrument went down under the resistless armies of Grant and Sherman and Sheridan, and the constitution of Washington and Lincoln was sustained.

"Unconstitutional?.... They do not seem to know that the man who made the first Protective Tariff law we ever had, in 1789 ... made the Constitution of the United States. James Madison, a member of the Constitutional Convention, and who afterwards became President ... reported that bill to Congress. It passed the House of Representatives, composed ... largely of members of the Constitutional Convention[,] ... unanimously, and passed the Senate ... by a vote of five to one, and in that body were a large number of men who made the Constitution itself. And that Protective Tariff law was signed by George Washington, President of the United States.

"They put into the preamble of that law ... `We levy these duties to raise money to pay the debts of the government; to provide money for the expenses of the United States, and to encourage and protect manufactures in the United States....'

"Ah, but [the anti-nationalists] say, if you had not had the Protective Tariff things would be a little cheaper. Well, whether a thing is cheap or dear depends upon what we can earn by our daily labor. Free trade cheapens the product by cheapening the producer. Protection cheapens the product by elevating the producer. Under free trade the trader is the master and the producer the slave. Protection is but the law of nature, the law of self-preservation, of self-development, of securing the highest and best destiny of the race of man.

"[It is said] that protection is immoral.... Why, if protection builds up and elevates 63,000,000 [the U.S. population] of people, the influence of those 63,000,000 of people elevates the rest of the world. We cannot take a step in the pathway of progress without benefitting mankind everywhere. Well, they say, `Buy where you can buy the cheapest'.... Of course, that applies to labor as to everything else. Let me give you a maxim that is a thousand times better than that, and it is the protection maxim: `Buy where you can pay the easiest.' And that spot of earth is where labor wins its highest rewards.

America Booms

"What has this Protective Tariff law of 1890 done? Why, it has increased factories all over the United States. It has built new ones, it has enlarged old ones.... [For example, we] used to buy our buttons made in Austria by the prison labor of Austria. We are buying our buttons today made by the free labor of America. We had 11 button factories before 1890; we have 85 now. We employed 500 men before 1890, at from $12 to $15 a week; we employ 8,000 men now, at from $18 to $35 a week.

"...|Well, but, they said, this tariff law of 1890 was going to increase the price of necessaries of life, and was going to diminish the wages of labor. It has done neither. The necessities of life are cheaper today than they were 18 months ago. The commodities that go into the household of every man and woman are cheaper today ... and the price of labor has increased to some extent."

The McKinley Act of 1890 was a serious blow to British global power. Teddy Roosevelt's intimate friend and guide, British diplomat Sir Cecil Spring-Rice, complained in a letter to London:

"We must count on the present tariff for a year and a half at least ... probably for much longer. We must reconcile ourselves to it and look for new markets. A serious aspect of it is the reciprocity clause, which drives us out of the W[est] Indies and S[outh] America." McKinley was elected President in 1896, campaigning against the British Free Trade doctrine. He immediately put through Congress yet another bill increasing the tariff protection for American industry.

In the years of McKinley's presidency, the U.S. economy surged ahead.

Comparing 1896 (the last year of his pro-Free Trade predecessor) to 1901 (when McKinley was murdered), the average value per hectare of farm production increased 48 percent, while industrial and mineral production increased as follows: copper +31 percent, lead +50 percent, coal +53 percent, zinc +73 percent, iron ore +80 percent, cement +111 percent, steel +155 percent, railroad rails +156 percent. (1) The dollar value of production increased, for locomotives and railroad cars +73 percent, musical instruments +125 percent, farm equipment +149 percent, ships and boats +211 percent, electrical equipment (industrial and commercial) +271 percent; meanwhile, the average hourly earnings for workers in all U.S. industry increased by an estimated 10 percent. (2)

Notes

1. Guetter, Fred J., Statistical Tables Relating to the Economic Growth of the United States (Philadelphia: McKinley Publishing Co., 1924).

2. Historical Statistics of the United States, 1789-1945 (Washington D.C.: U.S. Department of Commerce, 1949).

Captions

``Two systems are before the world.... One is the English system; the other we may be proud to call the American system ... the only one ever devised the tendency of which was that of elevating while equalizing the condition of man throughout the world...."

Henry C. Carey, economics adviser to Abraham Lincoln.

William McKinley, 25th President of the United States.

``Free trade cheapens the product by cheapening the producer. Protection cheapens the product by elevating the producer. Under free trade the trader is the master and the producer the slave."

``Protection is but the law of nature, the law of self-preservation, of self-development, of securing the highest and best destiny of the race of man."

The British system: Southern blacks work the cotton fields in 1879, more than 15 years after the Emancipation Proclamation.

U.S. Steel Corporation

The American System: (left) U.S. steelworkers around the turn of the century; (right) the Manchester Locomotive Works in Manchester, N.H., circa 1870.

The preceding article is a rough version of the article that appeared in The American Almanac. It is made available here with the permission of The New Federalist Newspaper. Any use of, or quotations from, this article must attribute them to The New Federalist, and The American Almanac


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To: Toddsterpatriot
Luckily, someone who's a math major is very employable in the financial services industry. They can make the big bucks and never have to go to work at WalMart or Circuit City.

Hmm. Financial services companies are actively outsourcing jobs to India, including many of those that require math.

India has a long and distinguished history in mathematics. As you probably know as a math major, one of the greatest raw mathematical talents of the last two hundred years was the Indian mathematician Ramanujan. The history of his collaboration with Hardy and Littlewood is one of the great stories in mathematics.

In fact, the U.S. doesn't have such a distinguished record on its own; while Russia, England, Germany, Hungary, even Japan and China have produced many distinguished mathematicians among their citizens, a lot of our mathematical talent has come from immigrants.

This not to disparage our own mathematicians; we have had many fine native ones. But on the whole, we haven't yet produced the high-end ones in the numbers that some other countries do.

As to jobs in mathematics, you can expect us to outsource mathematics jobs in large numbers to other countries, since many of these are examples par excellence of jobs that can be done merely with a computer and an Internet connection.

141 posted on 09/28/2004 8:17:46 AM PDT by snowsislander
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To: radicalamericannationalist
Someday, the professional associations protecting law and medicine will not be able to resist opening themselves to free trade.

Already done. Legal research is being outsourced to India, as are radiology-reading tasks.

142 posted on 09/28/2004 8:22:34 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Sam the Sham

Well stated.

In the end, this is not a discussion of economics--it is a discussion of politics which shall separate those who have the National Interest (remember that phrase?) at heart, versus those who have Other Interests at heart--principally themselves.

The argument that the moneyed class' money enriches all is based on the fallacious presumption that the moneyed class will actively pursue the National Interest. Although it is a case-by-case proof or disproof, the fact that FDI in China has gone up and now surpasses FDI in the US is a warning.


143 posted on 09/28/2004 8:34:25 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot

This is a standard tactic from other crowds nineot, can't kill the message, kill the source. Can't kill the source, kill the messenger. Shows up a lot on religion threads. who'd a thunk it.


144 posted on 09/28/2004 8:34:48 AM PDT by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: MadIvan

OK. Gummint has screwed business with taxes and regs.

Now: YOU retract all the taxes and regs. In the meantime, we'll work on tariffs which EQUALIZE the cost-of-doing-business across borders.

That is to say, "FAIR trade."

When you finish eliminating corporate taxes and regs, we'll drop the tariffs to EQUALIZE the cost-of-doing-business.

STILL FAIR TRADE.

Get busy.


145 posted on 09/28/2004 8:40:16 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot
That is to say, "FAIR trade."

Leads back to the same question - who decides what is fair or not. The answer is - the government, the same government which is open to bribery, corruption, avarice and stupidity. Better to have open trade and free markets rather than trusting that nonsense.

Ivan

146 posted on 09/28/2004 8:44:59 AM PDT by MadIvan (Gothic. Freaky. Conservative. - http://www.rightgoths.com/)
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To: Havoc
Thing I'm waiting to see is corporatization of the higher education system so they can screw people more thoroughly.

Ever hear of the University of Phoenix?

That IS a 'corporatized school.' Currently under a few investigations, paid a few fines and penalties, (minor fraud and deception stuff.)

Only problem is that the 'regular' universities aren't really spending money on teaching--they're spending it on administration, not to mention buildings.

147 posted on 09/28/2004 8:48:32 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Publius Valerius; 1rudeboy

Not so fast.

The Chicago school is about to encounter a few good arguments from Samuelson; and the Chicago school did NOT 'win' without a good deal of controversy.

We may agree that Big Labor had overstepped its bounds through the period 1950-1990 (circa.) On the other hand, since c. 1990, it has also taken its lumps, now only representing about 14% of US workers.

Two problems remain: 1) what is left of Big Labor is concentrated in Government. This does not bode well for either a reduction in regulation NOR in taxes (and I can demonstrate for you, easily, that RINOs are very adept at 'taming' gov't unions by hiring more gov't employees--thus maintaining "labor peace" through fleecing taxpayers...) and: 2) Labor STILL takes priority over capital in any system which observes moral laws.

This is not easily resolved, but there are people out there with common sense. Viz. the AFL's determined (and temporarily successful) effort to clean the Reds out of the CIO and the UAW.

Patriots agree. Self-interested people do NOT agree.


148 posted on 09/28/2004 8:56:18 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Destro
Bump for later.
149 posted on 09/28/2004 8:57:16 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: snowsislander
This not to disparage our own mathematicians; we have had many fine native ones. But on the whole, we haven't yet produced the high-end ones in the numbers that some other countries do.

As to jobs in mathematics, you can expect us to outsource mathematics jobs in large numbers to other countries, since many of these are examples par excellence of jobs that can be done merely with a computer and an Internet connection.

Sorry, I'm not a math major. Another freeper who worked for 4 years at WalMart claimed on another thread to be a math major.

When I noticed he didn't know the difference between median and mean, I changed my tagline.

150 posted on 09/28/2004 9:00:16 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Hey, look at me, I'm a math major.)
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To: MadIvan

No question, sugar producers are over-protected in the US; but that's not to say that ZERO protection is appropriate.

Secondly, your gloss-over of the sheer size of China's population ('not to worry--wage equalization will occur') is straight from the Pollyanna script.

Although you are correct in ONE regard: wage equalization is occurring. Median private-industry wages paid in the US are dropping.

That's real helpful, is it not?


151 posted on 09/28/2004 9:03:41 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
If Mexicans couldn't do the work for less, only Americans would be doing the work. If EDS is making a mistake, they'll be punished by their customers. Oh yeah, that's already happening.

Defrauding the Navy is a BIG mistake...

152 posted on 09/28/2004 9:06:48 AM PDT by Poohbah (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
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To: Havoc; hchutch; Toddsterpatriot; 1rudeboy
There aren't any jobs here of any great worth to be had.

Well, yeah, there aren't any jobs of great value for slackers who can't generate more value than Pedro the Mexican peasant.

So of course their meatballs in your opinion. You're a pos in theirs.

And then they wonder why they never get hired for any other jobs.

That's why the president is running from this issue and that's why none of you will take up the challenge to have a televised conference wherein all you free traders give up your jobs to mexican, indian or chinese labor and go find something else to do.

Like I said, I've done that already a few times.

Improvise.

Adapt.

Overcome.

As for your moronic bs about homeland security.. You do that and I'll be laughing my behind off as they cart you off for false reporting. I've made no such threat. You guys really can be pathetic.

I will show your posts on this topic to DHS; they will make the determination of whether they should talk to you.

I'm betting that they will. Showing them what you've posted is not "false reporting." Their deciding to put you on a watch list would be a matter of prudence.

153 posted on 09/28/2004 9:18:02 AM PDT by Poohbah (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
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To: ninenot
Source is irrelevant when dealing with facts, as you may recall from evidentiary principles 101.

Actually, the burden of proof is on the person advancing the arguments as truth.

154 posted on 09/28/2004 9:19:50 AM PDT by Poohbah (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
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To: Poohbah

In the thread-head article, points made by McKinley generally comport with the Republican Party platform of 1900; thus, I think that the quotes from McK are likely accurate.

I don't know about the situation in England, but there's no question that they did lose 'the Empire on which the sun never sets' for SOME reason, and the article is persuasive, if not convincing. Losing an entire Empire takes more than just economic incompetence...

So far as I am concerned, the McK quotes will stand unless you or M1968 (whoever) demonstrates that they are false or cut/paste doctored.


155 posted on 09/28/2004 9:41:28 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot
I don't know about the situation in England, but there's no question that they did lose 'the Empire on which the sun never sets' for SOME reason, and the article is persuasive, if not convincing. Losing an entire Empire takes more than just economic incompetence...

Try fighting two treasury-draining wars in 31 years.

156 posted on 09/28/2004 9:42:56 AM PDT by Poohbah (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
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To: Poohbah; neutrino
Well, yeah, there aren't any jobs of great value for slackers who can't generate more value than Pedro the Mexican peasant.

Pedro isn't generating value. Pedro's country and cost of living are what's generating "value". Pedro can't do the job right because he doesn't know the job yet. And he won't know it for some time. Essentially, you're boiling employees down to their worth based on where they live. Right. You know what that is? Give you a hint- 14 letter word starting with a D and is synonymous with prejudice.

Like I said, I've done that already a few times. Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.

Like I said, I've done that already. And here you guys are pulling the rug out from under me and fellow Americans after we've all done it one way or another. Just bs words telling people "live with it" when they protest. Guess what, we had a King that did that once. Once.

I will show your posts on this topic to DHS; they will make the determination of whether they should talk to you.

I'm sure they will, be sure not to miss any. Wouldn't want them to whack you over a head for being a moron and false informing on less than the complete record. Really, you guys are twisted.

I'm betting that they will. Showing them what you've posted is not "false reporting." Their deciding to put you on a watch list would be a matter of prudence.

What, for predicting what your theory predicts. Do you have a brain. Perhaps you should turn in your free trade theory to the Department of Homeland Security along with the full background of it and all the predictions economists have made about it's destructive impacts. I threatened nothing. I merely stated the obvious. And ya'll don't like it. So, go false inform and accuse me of threatening something - the which I have not done. And when I'm put on a watch list I'll sue you for defamation and everything else I can get out of you and turn you over to the civil authorities. You have no leg to stand on and you want to make threats about something I didn't say. Unreal. The lengths you worthless twits won't go to.

157 posted on 09/28/2004 10:07:02 AM PDT by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: Havoc; hchutch; Toddsterpatriot; 1rudeboy
And when I'm put on a watch list I'll sue you for defamation and everything else I can get out of you and turn you over to the civil authorities.

If the government decides to put you on a watch list, you will have no case against me.

You have no leg to stand on and you want to make threats about something I didn't say.

You alluded to it. And by doing so, you raised the question of your intent.

People on this board have gotten visits from the Secret Service for doing the same thing you did.

Danger Will Robinson, Danger!

158 posted on 09/28/2004 10:10:44 AM PDT by Poohbah (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
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To: Poohbah
If the government decides to put you on a watch list, you will have no case against me.

ROFL. What are you, ten and pretending. Get out of here and go submit the thread. What you waiting for. Hurry, you might miss them on their lunch break.

159 posted on 09/28/2004 10:37:25 AM PDT by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: investigateworld
"Now a top carpenter makes $15 to $16 per hour, but what he can buy with the wage is less that half..."

I can buy A TV a VCR or a computer for much less now.

Yes, Cars and Houses are more expensive but many other things are much cheaper.

160 posted on 09/28/2004 10:43:27 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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