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THE AMERICAN SYSTEM VS. BRITISH FREE TRADE LOOTING
American Almanac ^ | 1995 | Marcia Merry-Baker and Anton Chaitkin

Posted on 09/27/2004 4:16:06 PM PDT by Destro

Henry Carey and William McKinley:

THE AMERICAN SYSTEM VS. BRITISH FREE TRADE LOOTING

by Marcia Merry-Baker and Anton Chaitkin

Printed in the American Almanac, 1995

What Is the American System?

U.S. citizens, and even economists and historians in this country, have often never heard of the "American System" of economics which made our nation great. Worse yet, many confuse it with the British System of free trade and looting.

In the nineteenth century, however, our leading statesmen not only understood the American System, but promoted it, and campaigned for it, in their political speeches. They understood that our nation, even the world, was in a life or death battle against the British System of economics.

Americans must understand that their noble identity lies in fighting the British system of economics. That is the only pathway out of the current crisis.

Here, we begin a series of articles explaining the American System in the words of national leaders who implemented it, such as Alexander Hamilton, John Quincy Adams, and Abraham Lincoln. We begin with from the writings and speeches of President Lincoln's economics adviser, Henry C. Carey, and President William McKinley, both before and after he entered the White House in 1896. The ferocity of the political battle between America and our historical adversary Great Britain, an implacable adversary of American System economics, is attested to by the fact that McKinley, America's 25th President, was assassinated by British-linked anarchist Leon Czolgosz, six months after his election to a second term in 1900. The Anglophile Teddy Roosevelt, who reversed all of the Lincoln-McKinley economic policies, took office.

From Henry Carey's Harmony of Interests, 1851

Henry C. Carey, adviser to Abraham Lincoln, and perhaps the leading American System economist, wrote extensively exposing the failure of the British free trade approach and demonstrating the success of the American System. The following comes from Henry Carey's book, The Harmony of Interests, written in 1851. ``Much is said of `the mission' of the people of these United States, and most of it is said by persons who appear to limit themselves to the consideration of the powers of the nation, and rarely to think of its duties.

``Two systems are before the world; the one looks to increasing the proportion of persons and of capital engaged in trade and transportation, and therefore to diminishing the proportion engaged in producing commodities with which to trade, with necessarily diminished return to the labour of all; while the other looks to increasing the proportion engaged in the work of production, and diminishing that engaged in trade and transportation, with increased return to all, giving to the labourer good wages, and to the owner of capital good profits. One looks to increasing the quantity of raw materials to be exported, and diminishing the inducements to the import of men, thus impoverishing both farmer and planter by throwing on them the burden of freight; while the other looks to increasing the import of men, and diminishing the export of raw materials, thereby enriching both planter and farmer by relieving them from the payment of freight. One looks to compelling the farmers and planters of the Union to continue their contributions for the support of the fleets and armies, the paupers, the nobles and the sovereigns of Europe; the other to enabling ourselves to apply the same means to the moral and intellectual improvement of the sovereigns of America. One looks to the continuance of that bastard freedom of trade which denies the principle of protection, yet doles it out as revenue duties; the other to extending the area of legitimate free trade by the establishment of perfect protection, followed by the annexation of individuals and communities, and ultimately by the abolition of custom-houses. One looks to exporting men to occupy desert tracts, the sovereignty of which is obtained by aid of diplomacy or war; the other to increasing the value of an immense extent of vacant land by importing men by millions for their occupation. One looks to increasing the necessity for commerce; the other to increasing the power to maintain it. One looks to underworking the Hindoo, and sinking the rest of the world to his level; the other to raising the standard of man throughout the world to our level. One looks to pauperism, ignorance, depopulation, and barbarism; the other in increasing wealth, comfort, intelligence, combination of action, and civilization. One looks towards universal war; the other towards universal peace. One is the English system; the other we may be proud to call the American system, for it is the only one ever devised the tendency of which was that of elevating while equalizing the condition of man throughout the world.

``Such is the true mission of the people of these United States.... To raise the value of labour throughout the world, we need only to raise the value of our own.... To improve the political condition of man throughout the world, it is that we ourselves should remain at peace, avoid taxation for maintenance of fleets and armies, and become rich and prosperous.... To diffuse intelligence and to promote the cause of morality throughout the world, we are required only to pursue the course that shall diffuse education throughout our own land, and shall enable every man more readily to acquire property, and with it respect for the rights of property. To substitute true Christianity for the detestable system known as the Malthusian, it is needed that we prove to the world that it is population that makes the food come from the rich soils, and food tends to increase more rapidly than population, thus vindicating the policy of God to man."

Carey attacked British Free Trade economics as a system that destroys national agro-industrial productivity, reduces consumption, destroys freedom, and causes war:

``Two systems are before the world: on the one hand, that which is denominated protection, and on the other that which is denominated free-trade. ``A great error exists in the impression now very commonly entertained in regard to national division of labour, and which owes its origin to the English school of political economists, whose system is throughout based upon the idea of making England `the workshop of the world,' than which nothing could be less natural. By that school it is taught that some nations are fitted for manufacturers and others for the labours of agriculture, and that the latter are largely benefitted by being compelled to employ themselves in the one pursuit, making all their exchanges at a distance, thus contributing their share to the maintenance of the system of `ships, colonies, and commerce.' The whole basis of their system is conversion and exchange, and not production, yet neither makes any addition to the amount of things to be exchanged. It is the great boast of their system that the exchangers are so numerous and the producers so few, and the proportion which the former bear to the latter, the more rapid is supposed to be the advance towards perfect prosperity. Converters and exchangers, however, must live, and they must live out of the labour of others: and if three, five, or ten persons are to live on the product of one, it must follow that all will obtain but a small allowance of the necessaries or comforts of life, as is seen to be the case.

``The object of free-trade is proclaimed to be the increase of commerce, but commerce withers under it.

``We thus have here, first, a system that is unsound and unnatural, and second, a theory invented for the purpose of accounting for the poverty and wretchedness which are its necessary results.

``The object of what is now called free-trade is that of securing to the people of England the further existence of the monopoly of machinery, by aid of which Ireland and India have been ruined, and commerce prostrated. Protection seeks to break down this monopoly, and to cause the loom and the anvil to take their natural places by the side of the food and the cotton, and that production may be increased, and that commerce may revive....

``The object of protection has been, and is, to restore the natural tendency by which industrial manufacturing takes its place by the side of the producer of food (national self-sufficiency), thus reducing substantially transportation fees and middle men sales costs and bringing about the stabler self-sufficient communities and nations."

McKinley vs. Free Trade

William McKinley was a U.S. Congressman in 1882 when he spoke on the tariff policy, and on the social conditions won for the people by nationalists associated with Abraham Lincoln. McKinley distinguished between a low tariff for purposes of collecting tax revenue only, and a higher tariff which deliberately protects native industries against trade war by foreign powers.

McKinley asked his fellow Congressmen: who originated the free trade, low tariff policy?

``Who has demanded a tariff for revenue only.... What portion of our citizens? What part of our population? not the agriculturalist; not the laborer; not the mechanic; not the manufacturer; [there is] not a petition before us, to my knowledge, asking for an adjustment of tariff rates to a revenue basis."

Congressman McKinley answered his own question: ``England wants it, demands it--not for our good, but for hers; for she is more anxious to maintain her old position of supremacy than she is to promote the interests and welfare of the people of this republic, and a great party in this country voices her interest.... She would manufacture for us, and permit us to raise wheat and corn for her. We are satisfied to do the latter, but unwilling to concede to her the monopoly of the former."

The future President then explained why the British system was not appropriate to the United States: ``...|Free trade may be suitable to Great Britain and its peculiar social and political structure, but it has no place in this republic, where classes are unknown, and where caste has long since been banished; where equality is a rule; where labor is dignified and honorable; where education and improvement are the individual striving of every citizen, no matter what may be the accident of his birth, or the poverty of his early surroundings. Here the mechanic of today is the manufacturer of a few years hence. Under such conditions, free trade can have no abiding place here."

American System Agriculture

Five years later, on Dec. 13, 1887, Congressman McKinley spoke to a farmers' organization called the Ohio State Grange. He set forth the political reasoning behind his agricultural policy. It was the policy of the American Revolution, and of Abraham Lincoln, who had given free land to family farmers. It was an argument for the practical realization of the democratic republic, against the European feudal system. What McKinley said is still valid today against the British-Swiss food cartels, and a rebuke to populists misguided by British anti-industrial propaganda:

``Tell me how land is held, and I can tell you almost to a certainty the political system of the coutry, its form of government, and its political character. When land is divided into small farms, the property ... of those who till them, there is an inducement, ambition, and facility for independence, for progress, for wider thought and higher attainments in individual, industrial life. Over such a population no government but a free one, under equal laws and equal rights, with equal opportunities, can exist for any length of time. The small farm, thoroughly worked, was the ancient model, commended by the early sages and philosophers; as old Virgil put it, `Praise a large farm, cultivate a small one.'

``We must avoid in this country the holding of large tracts of land by non-resident owners for speculative purposes, and set our faces like flint against alien land-holding in small or large tracts. Our public domain must be re-dedicated to our own people, and neither foreign syndicates nor domestic corporations must be permitted to divert it from the hallowed purposes of actual settlement by real farmers.

``One of the great lessons of history is that agriculture cannot rise to its highest perfection and reach its fullest development without the aid of commerce, manufactures, and mechanical arts. All are essential to the healthy growth and highest advancement of the others; the progress of one insures the prosperity of the others. There are no conflicts, there should be no antagonisms. They are indispensable to each other. Whatever enfeebles one is certain to cripple the rest."

Congress passed in 1890 a great protectionist tariff bill, which was known as the "McKinley Act," in honor of its author who was the principal spokesman for the nationalist policy. McKinley commented that his 1890 Act had "no friends in Europe."

Having been elected Ohio's governor, William McKinley spoke in Boston Oct. 4, 1892, on the purposes of his legislation. He showed how the strong-central-government economic system, identified with American Revolution and with Lincoln's American Union, improves life for the common people, as compared to the British Free Trade system:

"We ... are opposed to British political economy.... Free trade shaves down [the workingman's] labor first, and then scales down his pay by rewarding him in a worthless and depreciated State currency."

On the question of federal government control of currency and credit, McKinley told the Boston crowd: "The currency of this country should be as national as its flag. It should be as unsullied as the national conscience and as sound as the government itself. And there is not a business man or working man, no matter to what political party he belongs, if he will honestly vote his convictions, who will not vote against the party that proposes to re-establish a system under which this country lost millions upon millions of dollars. We have had all the Confederate currency we want. We are for a United States currency in some form for all time in the future. We are not only opposed to Confederate currency, but we are opposed to British political economy. We not only fight for our industries and our labor, that they may be prosperous and well-paid, but we insist that when they have earned their money they shall be paid in a dollar worth full one hundred cents. When a workingman gives ten hours a day to his employer--ten full hours--he is entitled to be paid in a dollar worth full one hundred cents. Free trade shaves down his labor first, and then scales down his pay by rewarding him in a worthless and a depreciated State currency."

On the protective tariff, McKinley said:

``[Anti-nationalists say] that protection is unconstitutional.... I know of but one constitution which it violates and that is the constitution of the Confederate [slave] States.... But we are not operating under it. That instrument went down under the resistless armies of Grant and Sherman and Sheridan, and the constitution of Washington and Lincoln was sustained.

"Unconstitutional?.... They do not seem to know that the man who made the first Protective Tariff law we ever had, in 1789 ... made the Constitution of the United States. James Madison, a member of the Constitutional Convention, and who afterwards became President ... reported that bill to Congress. It passed the House of Representatives, composed ... largely of members of the Constitutional Convention[,] ... unanimously, and passed the Senate ... by a vote of five to one, and in that body were a large number of men who made the Constitution itself. And that Protective Tariff law was signed by George Washington, President of the United States.

"They put into the preamble of that law ... `We levy these duties to raise money to pay the debts of the government; to provide money for the expenses of the United States, and to encourage and protect manufactures in the United States....'

"Ah, but [the anti-nationalists] say, if you had not had the Protective Tariff things would be a little cheaper. Well, whether a thing is cheap or dear depends upon what we can earn by our daily labor. Free trade cheapens the product by cheapening the producer. Protection cheapens the product by elevating the producer. Under free trade the trader is the master and the producer the slave. Protection is but the law of nature, the law of self-preservation, of self-development, of securing the highest and best destiny of the race of man.

"[It is said] that protection is immoral.... Why, if protection builds up and elevates 63,000,000 [the U.S. population] of people, the influence of those 63,000,000 of people elevates the rest of the world. We cannot take a step in the pathway of progress without benefitting mankind everywhere. Well, they say, `Buy where you can buy the cheapest'.... Of course, that applies to labor as to everything else. Let me give you a maxim that is a thousand times better than that, and it is the protection maxim: `Buy where you can pay the easiest.' And that spot of earth is where labor wins its highest rewards.

America Booms

"What has this Protective Tariff law of 1890 done? Why, it has increased factories all over the United States. It has built new ones, it has enlarged old ones.... [For example, we] used to buy our buttons made in Austria by the prison labor of Austria. We are buying our buttons today made by the free labor of America. We had 11 button factories before 1890; we have 85 now. We employed 500 men before 1890, at from $12 to $15 a week; we employ 8,000 men now, at from $18 to $35 a week.

"...|Well, but, they said, this tariff law of 1890 was going to increase the price of necessaries of life, and was going to diminish the wages of labor. It has done neither. The necessities of life are cheaper today than they were 18 months ago. The commodities that go into the household of every man and woman are cheaper today ... and the price of labor has increased to some extent."

The McKinley Act of 1890 was a serious blow to British global power. Teddy Roosevelt's intimate friend and guide, British diplomat Sir Cecil Spring-Rice, complained in a letter to London:

"We must count on the present tariff for a year and a half at least ... probably for much longer. We must reconcile ourselves to it and look for new markets. A serious aspect of it is the reciprocity clause, which drives us out of the W[est] Indies and S[outh] America." McKinley was elected President in 1896, campaigning against the British Free Trade doctrine. He immediately put through Congress yet another bill increasing the tariff protection for American industry.

In the years of McKinley's presidency, the U.S. economy surged ahead.

Comparing 1896 (the last year of his pro-Free Trade predecessor) to 1901 (when McKinley was murdered), the average value per hectare of farm production increased 48 percent, while industrial and mineral production increased as follows: copper +31 percent, lead +50 percent, coal +53 percent, zinc +73 percent, iron ore +80 percent, cement +111 percent, steel +155 percent, railroad rails +156 percent. (1) The dollar value of production increased, for locomotives and railroad cars +73 percent, musical instruments +125 percent, farm equipment +149 percent, ships and boats +211 percent, electrical equipment (industrial and commercial) +271 percent; meanwhile, the average hourly earnings for workers in all U.S. industry increased by an estimated 10 percent. (2)

Notes

1. Guetter, Fred J., Statistical Tables Relating to the Economic Growth of the United States (Philadelphia: McKinley Publishing Co., 1924).

2. Historical Statistics of the United States, 1789-1945 (Washington D.C.: U.S. Department of Commerce, 1949).

Captions

``Two systems are before the world.... One is the English system; the other we may be proud to call the American system ... the only one ever devised the tendency of which was that of elevating while equalizing the condition of man throughout the world...."

Henry C. Carey, economics adviser to Abraham Lincoln.

William McKinley, 25th President of the United States.

``Free trade cheapens the product by cheapening the producer. Protection cheapens the product by elevating the producer. Under free trade the trader is the master and the producer the slave."

``Protection is but the law of nature, the law of self-preservation, of self-development, of securing the highest and best destiny of the race of man."

The British system: Southern blacks work the cotton fields in 1879, more than 15 years after the Emancipation Proclamation.

U.S. Steel Corporation

The American System: (left) U.S. steelworkers around the turn of the century; (right) the Manchester Locomotive Works in Manchester, N.H., circa 1870.

The preceding article is a rough version of the article that appeared in The American Almanac. It is made available here with the permission of The New Federalist Newspaper. Any use of, or quotations from, this article must attribute them to The New Federalist, and The American Almanac


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To: Havoc
Gosh, if only we could produce crummy vehicles that started falling apart as they were pushed off the car lot, then we could employ a ton more people to produce more crummy parts to fix them and pay them a lot because everyone would need to buy something all the time.

Get an argument of some sort to shore up your point, okay?
81 posted on 09/27/2004 10:44:15 PM PDT by ScottM1968
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To: ScottM1968

make tons of transports on what? Again, we only need so many of them and the numbers produced neither offset the production lost to cars or to replacement parts. The profits lost will cost the majority of jobs in the industry. As it collapses in on itself, the war production will fold with the rest under the weight of the rest. As the company falls apart, foriegn interests swoop in and buy stock low and tada, war production is owned by a French Corporation.

Again, in order to make enough war industry vehicles to offset losses, we'd have to overproduce and massively subsidize the industry. That means your free cars are paid for in raising taxes to prevent the failure of the domestic market. Your free cars are no longer free but rather end up costing americans more than if they'd bought them.

You don't know what the heck you're talking about.


82 posted on 09/27/2004 10:45:04 PM PDT by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: radicalamericannationalist

:-) LOL! Now, I agree on that one, too...


83 posted on 09/27/2004 10:45:22 PM PDT by ScottM1968
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To: ScottM1968
However, the basic point about it tanking the U.S. aviation industry remains the same.
84 posted on 09/27/2004 10:45:57 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (Kurtz had the right answer but the wrong location.)
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To: ScottM1968
Gosh, if only we could produce crummy vehicles that started falling apart as they were pushed off the car lot, then we could employ a ton more people to produce more crummy parts to fix them and pay them a lot because everyone would need to buy something all the time.

Ah, now another flip argument. You think BMW doesn't make raplacement parts for things they know will fail over time. You need to wake up and smell what you're shovelling. There is a BMW plant less than a mile from me, right next to the local Chrysler facility. I don't need to shore up my argument, that's what you're attempting desperately to do.

85 posted on 09/27/2004 10:47:29 PM PDT by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: Havoc
Please, I would hope that I'm still awake enough to not be seeking to shore up your argument. :-)

My point on that recent post is that something else will come along to employ people in some form as long as people are willing to move. As someone here stated earlier, buggy-whip manufacturing employees shifted to work for Ford.

The same holds for today in other ways. The auto industry would come back, too. And to think that France would be the only suitor and not others from here in the US is really pushing it a bit.
86 posted on 09/27/2004 10:51:29 PM PDT by ScottM1968
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To: ScottM1968
Moving around in the U.S. is not the problem. That's why the New England textile factories, an oft-cited free trade example, is not applicable because the industry remained in the U.S.

What we are facing are 1.6 billion Chinese and who knows how many hundreds of millions other Asian workers who are willing to work for slave wages, quite literally when considering the Chinese laogi. Even if the U.S. removed all environmental and labor protections and shoved every kid into Dicknsian factories, we simply could not compete against that glut of labor.

I remember when NAFTA was passed, we were told that white collar workers would be exempt. Now computer programmers, R and D, customer service and call centers are being outsourced. Someday, the professional associations protecting law and medicine will not be able to resist opening themselves to free trade. Maybe that's when things will change.
87 posted on 09/27/2004 10:59:06 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (Kurtz had the right answer but the wrong location.)
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To: ScottM1968

The difference between Buggywhip jobs and IT is that Buggywhips are obsolete for all intents and purposes and were made so by advances in technology. IT jobs are going because you're favorite Clinton policies upheld by Bush are pulling the rug out from under American workers in a still vibrant and useful industry and handing them to the chinese - perhaps for campaign contributions? I know you need to find some favorable light in which to paint the subversion of our market; but, their ain't one. That's why people detest offshoring.

All you guys can see is short term profit and you're blind to the path of destruction you intend to leave behind you as a result of your greed. You don't care. To hell with America, you want your greed satiated. I say to hell with free trade. We've become an economic superpower without that tawdry lie filled trash and America is against it. I'd imaging that's why the topic hasn't been polled since earlier this year. When it reached a range of 70% against, it disappeared as a topic. Don't imagine too many corporate advertisers liked that information floating around out there.


88 posted on 09/27/2004 11:02:56 PM PDT by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: radicalamericannationalist
Maybe that's when things will change.

American citizens won't let it get that far. They'll riot, and take up arms before we get there. And these morons are hoping against hope they are allowed to get by with it long enough to get out of the country when it hits - that's my guess. Cause their own theory predicts that end - destruction of the middle class fueling class warfare followed by war. That's the predicted outcome. Even the communists backed it up and stepped away from the table knowing that it would cause a revolution so big they couldn't control it. That was talked up 6 months ago here on FR and the only thing these greed - centric prats could come up with was something along the lines of 'oh, you believe marx, you must be a commie.' Nothing like stupid rhetoric in place of any sound position.

89 posted on 09/27/2004 11:08:54 PM PDT by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: radicalamericannationalist
Guys, your concerns are valid. I just disagree with the method to go about conquering what arises.

We can't protect a single person, an industry, or an entire country forever. Some sort of migration away from truly unprofitable ventures (i.e.-things that are expensive as compared to what they could be) must occur at some point.

It is immensely better to be encouraging people to better themselves regardless of the perceived level of security one has in their current job.

The same holds true for being dependent upon Social Security alone, too. We need to make investments outside of the expected to insure ourselves against an unknown future concern (just as insurance does that for possible physical tragedy).

I would wish that the world didn't impose such harsh realities upon us. But we ultimately have no control over most things. So plan, prepare, and pray for the better. Help those in need, but do so in a way that doesn't merely temporarily patch the current situation. Encourage what's better from person to person.

Let's work to grow through our problems. It takes effort and a willingness to do new things, but it what must be best for all.
90 posted on 09/27/2004 11:09:49 PM PDT by ScottM1968
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To: ScottM1968
"We can't protect a single person, an industry, or an entire country forever"

My name says it all. I am a nationalist. Those who say that we cannot defend America forever frighten me. At best, they are making excuses for the craven greed that they know is wrong. At worst, they are just waiting to sell out the US.
91 posted on 09/27/2004 11:27:01 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (Kurtz had the right answer but the wrong location.)
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To: ScottM1968
We can't protect a single person, an industry, or an entire country forever

Bunk. We have and we will because this is America. That is defeatest crap hoping to pose as an argument. We've done just fine for a couple hundred years and the more protectionist, the better we've done. There is no precident for the crap you guys are shovelling. You don't disagree with method, you disagree with America and the posiition of Americans within their own market. You disagree with supply and demand. You disagree with anything that stands in the way of profit - however that profit is made. You're more willing to defend profit than you are to defend an American worker. And that's the sick fact.

It is immensely better to be encouraging people to better themselves regardless of the perceived level of security one has in their current job.

Oh, gee. I'm gonna get all warm and fuzzy again. Screw you , we're kicking you out on the street and giving your job to pedro for a 5th of what you make a year. But let me encourage you to go back to school. It's good for you. You take away people's source of income and then encourage them to spend money they don't have and can't qualify for in government assistance (Service sector doesn't get retraining funds because they don't produce a physical product), and you want to take that as some sort of high ground. Again, what drug is it you are on in this rose colored stained glass window world of yours where people just up and do this crap.. Does the word Reality even find it's way into your vocabulary. Because I've watched it pan out from the front row over here in reality land where more than half my coworkers have already been given their seperation papers and most haven't got jobs and only one so far has qualified to go back to school. One. But by all means, instruct us on how this works cause people just go out and do this with no funds. I'm sure we're in for a real pull yourself up by the bootstraps speach. I did that a number of times, it's how I ended up where I am. And your policy bs is what's pulling the rug out from under me. I have a dream - bang - free trader intervention, I now have seperation papers as I'm evicted from something I worked hard for.

The same holds true for being dependent upon Social Security alone, too. We need to make investments outside of the expected to insure ourselves against an unknown future concern (just as insurance does that for possible physical tragedy).

Yeah, sure. Whatever. Don't hurt yourself trying to sound conservative there.

I would wish that the world didn't impose such harsh realities upon us.

The world doesn't. It's guys like you that dump this crap on others and then want to utter such nonsense as what you did because you don't have the guts to admit it's people that cause this stuff - not some nameless "they"; but, "YOU". And "YOU" don't want to own responsibility for it. Especially if it causes a war, I'm sure. Then all you guys will be hiding under rocks shouting about how you hate those lousy bastards that pulled this free trade crap on us... I'm sure.

Let's work to grow through our problems. It takes effort and a willingness to do new things, but it what must be best for all.

Right, this is like the pep speaches I used to get at Walmart when they were working us on a skeleton crew -making us do the work of two people on the pay of half of one so th at management could have bigger bonuses - pump that 52K a year up to 100+ while they took credit for our work and threatened our jobs if we didn't stay in line. Good pat on the back and kick in the ass and work harder for the good of the [management] team. Yeah, you got about as much concern for all of us as they did. Show you the money and screw the guy that got it for you. But let's grow through your greed and let you screw us so that you can be happy, we can be had and you get away before the answering time comes for it. Nope. Not on my watch. I been used by too many used car salesmen like you in my life. Got a cheek for ya, and you can pucker up before I lay down on this one. I've had enough abuse in my life from you types. I'm done with it. It's straighten up time. My prediction is simple. This president kills free trade or ends up suspending habius in his next term. If he makes it into office for a second term. He can still lose, though God help us if Kerry gets in there. I ain't votin for either of them.

92 posted on 09/27/2004 11:48:34 PM PDT by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: A. Pole

Check out this article on Republican protectionism from the McKinley era.


93 posted on 09/28/2004 1:25:45 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: ScottM1968
It is amazing, in light of how inherently unworkable free trade must be, that countries such as Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Thailand, Hong Kong, and others are able to conquer a huge part of the world's economy (and without any native resources) though minimal (if any) trade tariffs.

Huh? Japan is highly protectionist, especially of its agricultural industries.

94 posted on 09/28/2004 4:06:38 AM PDT by valkyrieanne
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To: Havoc
Turn them down. That's what I'd do. Do you have any sense.

Nobody reads the classics anymore (as in "Trojan Horse.")

95 posted on 09/28/2004 4:13:28 AM PDT by valkyrieanne
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To: ScottM1968
Perhaps that helps show our problem with the US auto industry. We can't produce something that can last nearly that long.

Not "can't." "Won't." When you have so much cheap labor and easy credit, consumer items formerly thought of as long-lasting are now treated as disposable. Including cars - most people trade theirs in after a few years. It's *not* in the "best interest" of many manufacturers to make things that last. The Europeans (and some Japanese) companies are about the only ones.

96 posted on 09/28/2004 4:17:45 AM PDT by valkyrieanne
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To: radicalamericannationalist
You know, you remind me of the folks who dismiss Ann Coulter;s arguments simply because they come from.. Ann Coulter. Can you prove any factual errors or misquotes in this article?

The entire point of this article is to reinterpret American history into supporting a socialist/communist agenda. LaRouche started his political life as a communist, and the apple has not fallen far from the tree ever since. He did time in the 1980s and 1990s for credit card fraud.

97 posted on 09/28/2004 4:19:01 AM PDT by Poohbah (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
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To: Havoc
Screw you , we're kicking you out on the street and giving your job to pedro for a 5th of what you make a year. But let me encourage you to go back to school. It's good for you.

The "go back to school" panacea is a short-term fix.

It was no coincidence that during the Great Depression rates of schooling increased exponentially (according to conservative education scholar Diane Ravitch.) School kept young people out of job markets formerly open to them.

Today, people are encouraged to "retrain" and do "lifelong learning." These plans essentially are ways to make work as teachers for the outsourced, and forestall the backlash.

98 posted on 09/28/2004 4:21:53 AM PDT by valkyrieanne
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To: ScottM1968
It's a Sham when a "conservative" laments that artificially high wages (nearly state-dictated) can somehow continue to exist without realizing they will bring that entire country down economically over time as the world makes choices despite (and around) that country's stupidity.

How silly you are. A "conservative" like yourself who complains about "artificially high wages" apparently views the prosperity of the American people as a problem to be corrected by flooding the labor market with Third World labor. It has not entered your brain to wonder what is conserved when communities and livelihoods are destroyed and buying power is drained from middle class Americans to the point where it now takes twice as long as it did a generation ago to purchase a new car. In Libertarian fashion you are not a conservative at all. You are a Jacobin willing to sacrifice the American people to radical theory and your vision of a pure world. Has it entered your brain that a political party that thinks that American wages are "artificially high" isn't going to get very far ?

It's a Sham when a "conservative" quotes the former leader of the "Liberal Unionists" of England (Joseph Chamberlain) as somehow prescient--a man who was a self-proclaimed Imperialist in his basic approach to economics.

Silly one, who in Britain wasn't an imperialist in 1900 ? Chamberlain saw quite clearly that if Britain did not shift to protection it's industrial base would be destroyed. And that is exactly what happenned. Britain's industrial base could not meet the demands of two world wars.

And technological changes do not impact disposable income. A 4.0 gig Pentium 4 costs as much as a state of the art IBM XT in 1983. I can't spend the improvement in quality of the Pentium 4 over the XT. It is useful to me but the difference does not pay my bills.

As the great Americans quoted above demonstrated, the cause of protectionism is the cause of true conservatives. True conservatives, unlike you, are not willing to sacrifice their families and communities and nation to pure radical theory. True conservatives see the well being of their country and their loved ones as a good thing and fight to protect them. True conservatives understand that there is a higher moral and societal good than maximizing shareholder equity. Like a Jacobin, you have only contempt for the masses of people and see yourself as some kind of an elite above mere human attachments. Go plant bombs somewhere. There is no room for your kind in any conservative movement.

99 posted on 09/28/2004 4:31:09 AM PDT by Sam the Sham
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To: Destro

Good ideas on the table!


100 posted on 09/28/2004 4:35:25 AM PDT by bvw
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