Posted on 09/27/2004 4:16:06 PM PDT by Destro
Hmm. Financial services companies are actively outsourcing jobs to India, including many of those that require math.
India has a long and distinguished history in mathematics. As you probably know as a math major, one of the greatest raw mathematical talents of the last two hundred years was the Indian mathematician Ramanujan. The history of his collaboration with Hardy and Littlewood is one of the great stories in mathematics.
In fact, the U.S. doesn't have such a distinguished record on its own; while Russia, England, Germany, Hungary, even Japan and China have produced many distinguished mathematicians among their citizens, a lot of our mathematical talent has come from immigrants.
This not to disparage our own mathematicians; we have had many fine native ones. But on the whole, we haven't yet produced the high-end ones in the numbers that some other countries do.
As to jobs in mathematics, you can expect us to outsource mathematics jobs in large numbers to other countries, since many of these are examples par excellence of jobs that can be done merely with a computer and an Internet connection.
Already done. Legal research is being outsourced to India, as are radiology-reading tasks.
Well stated.
In the end, this is not a discussion of economics--it is a discussion of politics which shall separate those who have the National Interest (remember that phrase?) at heart, versus those who have Other Interests at heart--principally themselves.
The argument that the moneyed class' money enriches all is based on the fallacious presumption that the moneyed class will actively pursue the National Interest. Although it is a case-by-case proof or disproof, the fact that FDI in China has gone up and now surpasses FDI in the US is a warning.
This is a standard tactic from other crowds nineot, can't kill the message, kill the source. Can't kill the source, kill the messenger. Shows up a lot on religion threads. who'd a thunk it.
OK. Gummint has screwed business with taxes and regs.
Now: YOU retract all the taxes and regs. In the meantime, we'll work on tariffs which EQUALIZE the cost-of-doing-business across borders.
That is to say, "FAIR trade."
When you finish eliminating corporate taxes and regs, we'll drop the tariffs to EQUALIZE the cost-of-doing-business.
STILL FAIR TRADE.
Get busy.
Leads back to the same question - who decides what is fair or not. The answer is - the government, the same government which is open to bribery, corruption, avarice and stupidity. Better to have open trade and free markets rather than trusting that nonsense.
Ivan
Ever hear of the University of Phoenix?
That IS a 'corporatized school.' Currently under a few investigations, paid a few fines and penalties, (minor fraud and deception stuff.)
Only problem is that the 'regular' universities aren't really spending money on teaching--they're spending it on administration, not to mention buildings.
Not so fast.
The Chicago school is about to encounter a few good arguments from Samuelson; and the Chicago school did NOT 'win' without a good deal of controversy.
We may agree that Big Labor had overstepped its bounds through the period 1950-1990 (circa.) On the other hand, since c. 1990, it has also taken its lumps, now only representing about 14% of US workers.
Two problems remain: 1) what is left of Big Labor is concentrated in Government. This does not bode well for either a reduction in regulation NOR in taxes (and I can demonstrate for you, easily, that RINOs are very adept at 'taming' gov't unions by hiring more gov't employees--thus maintaining "labor peace" through fleecing taxpayers...) and: 2) Labor STILL takes priority over capital in any system which observes moral laws.
This is not easily resolved, but there are people out there with common sense. Viz. the AFL's determined (and temporarily successful) effort to clean the Reds out of the CIO and the UAW.
Patriots agree. Self-interested people do NOT agree.
As to jobs in mathematics, you can expect us to outsource mathematics jobs in large numbers to other countries, since many of these are examples par excellence of jobs that can be done merely with a computer and an Internet connection.
Sorry, I'm not a math major. Another freeper who worked for 4 years at WalMart claimed on another thread to be a math major.
When I noticed he didn't know the difference between median and mean, I changed my tagline.
No question, sugar producers are over-protected in the US; but that's not to say that ZERO protection is appropriate.
Secondly, your gloss-over of the sheer size of China's population ('not to worry--wage equalization will occur') is straight from the Pollyanna script.
Although you are correct in ONE regard: wage equalization is occurring. Median private-industry wages paid in the US are dropping.
That's real helpful, is it not?
Defrauding the Navy is a BIG mistake...
Well, yeah, there aren't any jobs of great value for slackers who can't generate more value than Pedro the Mexican peasant.
So of course their meatballs in your opinion. You're a pos in theirs.
And then they wonder why they never get hired for any other jobs.
That's why the president is running from this issue and that's why none of you will take up the challenge to have a televised conference wherein all you free traders give up your jobs to mexican, indian or chinese labor and go find something else to do.
Like I said, I've done that already a few times.
Improvise.
Adapt.
Overcome.
As for your moronic bs about homeland security.. You do that and I'll be laughing my behind off as they cart you off for false reporting. I've made no such threat. You guys really can be pathetic.
I will show your posts on this topic to DHS; they will make the determination of whether they should talk to you.
I'm betting that they will. Showing them what you've posted is not "false reporting." Their deciding to put you on a watch list would be a matter of prudence.
Actually, the burden of proof is on the person advancing the arguments as truth.
In the thread-head article, points made by McKinley generally comport with the Republican Party platform of 1900; thus, I think that the quotes from McK are likely accurate.
I don't know about the situation in England, but there's no question that they did lose 'the Empire on which the sun never sets' for SOME reason, and the article is persuasive, if not convincing. Losing an entire Empire takes more than just economic incompetence...
So far as I am concerned, the McK quotes will stand unless you or M1968 (whoever) demonstrates that they are false or cut/paste doctored.
Try fighting two treasury-draining wars in 31 years.
Pedro isn't generating value. Pedro's country and cost of living are what's generating "value". Pedro can't do the job right because he doesn't know the job yet. And he won't know it for some time. Essentially, you're boiling employees down to their worth based on where they live. Right. You know what that is? Give you a hint- 14 letter word starting with a D and is synonymous with prejudice.
Like I said, I've done that already a few times. Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.
Like I said, I've done that already. And here you guys are pulling the rug out from under me and fellow Americans after we've all done it one way or another. Just bs words telling people "live with it" when they protest. Guess what, we had a King that did that once. Once.
I will show your posts on this topic to DHS; they will make the determination of whether they should talk to you.
I'm sure they will, be sure not to miss any. Wouldn't want them to whack you over a head for being a moron and false informing on less than the complete record. Really, you guys are twisted.
I'm betting that they will. Showing them what you've posted is not "false reporting." Their deciding to put you on a watch list would be a matter of prudence.
What, for predicting what your theory predicts. Do you have a brain. Perhaps you should turn in your free trade theory to the Department of Homeland Security along with the full background of it and all the predictions economists have made about it's destructive impacts. I threatened nothing. I merely stated the obvious. And ya'll don't like it. So, go false inform and accuse me of threatening something - the which I have not done. And when I'm put on a watch list I'll sue you for defamation and everything else I can get out of you and turn you over to the civil authorities. You have no leg to stand on and you want to make threats about something I didn't say. Unreal. The lengths you worthless twits won't go to.
If the government decides to put you on a watch list, you will have no case against me.
You have no leg to stand on and you want to make threats about something I didn't say.
You alluded to it. And by doing so, you raised the question of your intent.
People on this board have gotten visits from the Secret Service for doing the same thing you did.
Danger Will Robinson, Danger!
ROFL. What are you, ten and pretending. Get out of here and go submit the thread. What you waiting for. Hurry, you might miss them on their lunch break.
I can buy A TV a VCR or a computer for much less now.
Yes, Cars and Houses are more expensive but many other things are much cheaper.
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