Are American Arabs Loyal?

e-mail | September 25, 2004 | US Pilot

[sneaker]

"Not all Arabs are Muslims, and not all Muslims are terrorists"

But... all terrorist in the world today are muslim.

[churchillbuff]

Do you pledge allegiance to its flag?"""

Your concerns are understandable, but a little context is helpful, too. Arguably, the ACLU is doing more to destroy American institutions than even terrorists. The ACLU wants God erased from the public square - and wants the Pledge banned. How many muslims are in the ACLU? Few if any. Look at a list of that groups' directors. you won't see any muslim names. Likewise, when San Francisco started marrying boys with boys, groups of muslims showed up -- not to cheer but to protest. Cultural conservatives have more in common with (non terrorist) muslims than with the people who run our media and groups like the ACLU.

[churchillbuff]

all terrorist in the world today are muslim."""

Has the Irish Republic Army disbanded? What about the leftist terrorists in Peru (I think they're called "Shining Path.)" and the FARC in Colombia? Yes, most terrorist groups today are Islamic, but not all.

[TechnicalEcstacy]

Yeah, but the ACLU is not an violent international movement. But I sure as hell wouldnt lose any sleep if we shut them down.

[TechnicalEcstacy]

Yeah, but the ACLU is not an violent international movement. But I sure as hell wouldnt lose any sleep if we shut them down.

[bootyist-monk]

American Muslims have shown their complicity with their terrorist brethren. Mosques collect for Hamas, the PLO and Al Qaeda. Mosques and the Muslim community in America allowed the 9-11 hijackers to hide, provided them with funds, and helped them integrate into American society. Instead of getting their house in order, Muslims claim victim-hood. As long as Jihad remains a tenant of Islam, and as long as American Muslims remain largely silent (and supportive) of the evil that their fellow believers are doing in the name of Allah, they should expect the well-earned distrust that they are receiving.

[churchillbuff]

Yeah, but the ACLU is not an violent international movement.""

They've used the courts to cause more destruction to our institutions than any violent terrorist group has. If the pledge gets outlawed, it won't be because of Muslims. Kids can't pray at graduations -- even voluntarily led prayer -- and that's not because muslims are aiming guns at them, it's because the ACLU got court orders that would throw them in jail. You can be a terrorist group, doing "violence" against our institutions and traditions, without being a terrorist group with guns.

[Ptarmigan]

Arab Christians are not the problem. Many came here as early as 1865 and settled in the South. They were mainly merchants and steamboat operators. They came from Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq. Arab Muslims are the problem. Most Arabs in America are Christians, not Muslims. Often, they are Catholic or Orthodox. I would not be surprised if there are Arab Jews even in America and in the Middle East.

[jalisco555]

So, then you're saying there are thousands of brave muslim americans dying, fighting FOR america? If I remember the numbers correctly, there are less than 4,000 muslim soldiers in all of the U.S. Military at present..

As you say, thousands of Muslims in the US military. As a conservative I chose to judge people based on their behavior as individuals, not on their group identity. To do otherwise would make me no better than a liberal. President Bush has been emphatic in his rejection of the notion of judging all Muslims based on the behavior of some and I see no reason not to follow his lead.

[Ginifer]

Are American Arabs loyal - yes, but the real question is to whom and what country.

[Ptarmigan]

Interesting article. There was an Arab Christian population before Islam came as early as the Roman Empire. I know Arab Christians were a very thriving group of people. Sadly, lot of them were driven out and many killed especially after World War II by the Muslims and Nazis war criminals. I know Syrians, Lebanese, Egyptians, and Iraqis are not full Arabs. I have seen Lebanese and Iraqis and they are often lighter skin then other Arabs. I have noticed red heads in Iraq. In fact, I have a friend, who is an Iraqi and his brother has red hair and light skin.

[TechnicalEcstacy]

I am aware and I agree, but still not the same thing. At least until the government puts the ACLU on the terrorism watch list. Unfortunatly they have been able to negotiate around the outer fringes of our justice system. We have to fight them legally. But in a way, I hope they keep it up, because sentiment will turn sharply against them as it has already begun to.

[TechnicalEcstacy]

I choose to judge individuals when possible. But how do you do that for millions of people? Its a tender notion, but its partially unrealistic. Having said that, any judgments of large numbers of people I try not to set in stone. Im willing to have my mind changed.

As far as Bush, you could chalk it up to diplomacy when he says stuff like that. He just doesnt want all this mistrust getting out of hand. And hes right to do that. Plus he'd be labeled a bigot by his enemies.

[varon]

Are you here to take our money? Are you here to undermine our peace and stability? Are you here to destroy us?

All of the above!!!

[Bogolyubski]

Well Said. Some folks get all worked up and don't think before they make blanket statements. The Arab Christians are fleeing Muslim-controlled countries all over the middle east, where they have suffered under the condition of dhimmitude. It is profoundly wrong to lump in Arab Christians with Muslim jihadis. Joseph Farah, who runs the conservative site World Net Daily, is of Arab descent. No reasonable person would question his loyalty.

Muslims can be of any ethnicity, just like Christians. The war we face is with the Jihadi brach of Islam, which is not a tiny minority within Islam (as Western liberals make-believe), but claims at least 50 percent of the total Islamic population. Still, there are Muslims who are opposed to the horrible jihadis, who will happily murder them along with Christians and Jews.

[AmericanVictory]

One does get tired of the phony "all fundamentalists are the same" argument. Only one major religion has so-called fundamentalists engaging in this totally non-spiritual murderous and sinful behavior on a regular basis in huge numbers and in only one religion have they gained such dominance. Everyone, including Muslims who do not believe in this barbarism, needs to come out into open dialogue about the problem.

[Bogolyubski]

The Niemoller quote is a notorious leftist screed that has been repeated endlessly for years. Note that among the genuine victims we have listed communists - as if the communists, the single most bloodthirsty movement in world history and responsible for the murder of some 120 million since its first taste of power in 1918 - are simply some innocent political group. Unlike the Nazis, most of whom were brought to justice at Nuerenburg, the communists have largely escped justice.

Radical Islam shares many of the bloodthirsty characteristics of communism. There is even a long history of communist and leftist support with the jihadis.

[ApesForEvolution]

1)Obliterate the ACLU under existing RICO statutes.
2)Secure the borders and ports and arrest the Cat Islam's of the world when they attempt to schlepp for Muhammad.
3)Register all American Muhammadans and intern all males 13 or older. Allow for no communication between them and the outside world until this crisis is finished. If it takes a generation, so be it. Shower the Moos' wimmen and chilren with love and truth about Muhammad. Detain or shoot runners.
4)Deport all non-American Muslims, detain those that need be and shoot all runners.
5)Outlaw Mein Koran. It's had a millenium to prove it's not just a Terrorist's Mafia Organization inherently demanding expansion and world domination by the knife.
6)Allow Israel to rid the scourge from it's midst with all means necessary.
7)Send the bees a buzzin to Fallujia, Damascus, Tehran, the Ashpanistan border region and all other targets of interest. Let all know that Mecca is one command away from obliteration.
8)Start reproducing in America like rabbits and increase our numbers while the Death Cult is sent into oblivion.