Hanoi'd with Jane (Urban Myth? Not everyone remembers ...)

Snopes.com ^ | 21 June 2000 | Snopes

[gobucks]

... In 1978, the Commandant of the USAF Survival School, a colonel, was a former POW in Ho Lo Prison -- the Hanoi Hilton. Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJs, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American 'Peace Activist' the 'lenient and humane treatment' he'd received. He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and dragged away. During the subsequent beating, he fell forward upon the camp Commandant's feet, accidentally pulling the man's shoe off -- which sent that officer berserk.

... "From 1983-85, Col. Larry Carrigan was 347FW/DO (F-4Es). He'd spent 6 [product] years in the Hilton -- the first three of which he was listed as MIA. His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned/fed/clothed routine in preparation for a 'peace delegation' visit.

"They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his Social Security number on it, in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like, 'Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?' and, 'Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?'"

"Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper. She took them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge ... and handed him the little pile of notes.

"Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Col. Carrigan was almost number four.

[gobucks]

I didn't really understand the depth of badness in what she did. If you are a former POW ... please keep reminding folks, esp younger ones, for this witch is still doing what she did then, and many of us are too young to know WHO she really is.

I was just 8 years old during her 1972 visits. Many years later, I just didn't pay much attention to her.

Now that Kerry had made Vietnam a central piece of his justification about why I should vote for him, I wanted to see more about Jane, given that not a word from her has been heard during this entire 2004 campaign. Google 'jane fonda' and this is the second article ... implying that what she did is now an URBAN MYTH.

To the Vietnam Vets out there, esp. former POWs, I am sorry I didn't pay attention to this before. I have paid really really close attention to this campaign, but have ignored Jane Fonda b/c she was just another liberal voice out there....

What I have learned is she is NOT just another liberal voice. She DID things, despicable things. And today, she's doing the 'Vagina Votes Campaign', raising money for Kerry, attacking Bush by calling him a 'radical ideologue'?

How dare you Jane ... you have blood, literally, on your hands for what you did. You need to grow up and say you are sorry, though sorry will never make up for what you did. You deserve prison.

There is only one explanation for your madness ... first your Dad must have simply ignored you when you were growing up, and then Ted Turner must have done more of the same.

I bet Henry Fonda's father was a real low life creep too...

[Thane_Banquo]

Jane Fonda later apologized for her actions. John Kerry has yet to apologize for his Senate testimony.

[Buttaboom]

In the interest of fairness, you need to add the following:

The most serious accusations in the piece quoted above -- that Fonda turned over slips of paper furtively given her by American POWS to the North Vietnamese and that several POWs were beaten to death as a result -- are proveably untrue. Those named in the inflammatory e-mail categorically deny the events they supposedly were part of.

"It's a figment of somebody's imagination," says Ret. Col. Larry Carrigan, one of the servicemen mentioned in the 'slips of paper' incident. Carrigan was shot down over North Vietnam in 1967 and did spend time in a POW camp. He has no idea why the story was attributed to him. "I never met Jane Fonda."

The tale about a defiant serviceman who spit at Jane Fonda and is severely beaten as a result is often attributed to Air Force pilot Jerry Driscoll. He has repeatedly stated on the record that it did not originate with him.

She's still a sack of crap, a treasonous, vile, sack of crap who ought to have been prosecuted for what she did and should be soundly ignored now. But let's tar her with an accurate brush, at least.

[Robert A Cook PE]

Hmmn. Conflicting tales, eh?

[Gibtx]

i refer you to the wintersoldier.com for any facts about this ... send them an email and they will check it out and give the real story....

i find their research very good and factual..

[VOA]

bump

[Flux Capacitor]

----Jane Fonda later apologized for her actions.----

Wow. That was real big of her.

I do not accept Jane Fonda's apology. I hope she spends eternity aflame in the deepest pit of hell with maggots chewing out her eyes. And I hope that the faces of the American soldiers she killed are all she ever sees between chewings.

-Dan

[gobucks]

"Jane Fonda later apologized for her actions."

I have heard this, but I haven't seen sources. Was this a real, bona fide recantation, or a brief political whitewash?

[A.A. Cunningham]

Hanoi'd with Jane

[Mamzelle]

Weren't Fonda's lefty 527 donations on a par with Soros'?

[gobucks]

Thanks ... and it's true, we shouldn't mislead here at FR, and it wasn't my intention to do so about Jane.

My excerpt was limited to 300 words ... the overall thrust of the whole article is that Jane Fonda is a pathetic woman, who did, in deed, engage in treasonous acts, many of which harmed POWs.

[gobucks]

"Weren't Fonda's lefty 527 donations on a par with Soros'"

To the tune of a mere 13 million dollars (she's the third highest donor) .... here's the link:
http://membership.publicintegrity.org/527/search.aspx?act=con&sec=indiv&sub=topindiv

[birdsman]

"Jane Fonda later apologized for her actions. John Kerry has yet to apologize for his Senate testimony."

Jane Fonda said that she regretted any harm that she caused. She (it) did NOT apologize for her actual actions.