Iran ping
Posted on 09/24/2004 3:55:26 PM PDT by freedom44
The good leadership and battleplans will come from our Special Forces and CIA operatives that are either already in country or are on thier way in soon.
Patience please.
I think Ledeen is being overly optimistic here. While 70% of Iran may be openly hostile toward the Islamic government, this does not necessarily portend good things for the United States. I would suggest that the model for Iran's future will likely be France, in that it will end up "free" in the true sense of the word but openly distrustful of the United States. Such distrust, in fact, will be the primary motivation in that country's plans to develop a nuclear arsenal in the future.
I agree. Before the recent war in Iraq there were articles claiming there'd be dancing in the streets of Baghdad once Saddam was gone. There was nothing of the sort. Hence am cynical about the population of Iran.
http://www.cbn.com/CBNNews/CWN/020703iran.asp
By Dale Hurd
CBN News Senior Reporter
Public opinion polls regularly embarrass Iran's anti-American leadership. In surveys, most Iranians agreed with George W. Bush that their government is part of the "Axis of Evil." In one poll, most Iranians said they wanted better relations with the United States. And despite years of government propaganda, many Iranians love the US.
Also this one.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1072-717362,00.html
"A poll conducted by a state-owned company in Tehran in February revealed that 70 per cent of Iranians had a favourable view of the US (which is thus more popular in Iran than in Britain, let alone in France and Germany).
No, both you and Kantian are wrong - or should I say misinformed by the media. The average Iranian is openly aggressive to the clerics. The old 'revolutionaries' now have teenage kids who think the revolution that their fathers fought was pure tyranny. Even their military forces when they come into contact with our personnel are friendly and courteous. The Republican Guards are the hostile fanatics.
Basically, the Iranian people feel just like we would have if Clinton had served 25 years as president. Try to imagine that. They don't give a damn what it takes - they want to be free, and they see us as their only hope. If we help them overthrow the mullahs today, they have the honor to become a strong ally once again.
Freedom in Iran ~ NOW!
I would hardly describe South Africa as "free."
Who's to say that we are not doing something right now?
I would find it hard to imagine, with this President, that we would be broadcasting the fact that we were now funding those in Iran who would overthrow the Mullahs. That would be some Clinton might do during a Election year but not Bush.
I,of course, haven't got a clue if that is happening, but one can hope. I hope, not for our sake, but for the great Persians, that they can once again take their place in the World.
If we are not doing something we dang well better start soon. Remember, that part of our problem in Iraq is that we left people hanging when they rose up against Saddam and now, rightly they don't trust us to see it through...
"The weapons that will end the dreadful tyranny.... are ideas and passions, not missiles and bullets."
I sure hope so.
"I would suggest that the model for Iran's future will likely be France, in that it will end up "free" in the true sense of the word but openly distrustful of the United States."
Why do you suggest that?
I think you're right.
And Iran certainly can become a strong ally once again.
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Openly hostile to the US ? Were you even alive when the Shah was in power ? Iran was an allie before Carter sold Iranians out to the marxist mullahs.
Heh heh...not apropos of anything but a sly little dig.
Anyone who thinks that plan A to supplant the mad mullahs includes running the 3d ID through the Zagros mountains is smoking crack. Revolutions are occasionally kick-started by foreign events but this one is going to have to be done for the Iranians by the Iranians. I am sure they would like it, but have we reached the point yet where they are willing to die for it? Because I think it will take that. The Shah went quietly, but that just isn't the theocracy's style.
I can think of one precedent. When Russia was mired in combat with the eastern German front in 1917 the Germans loosed a certain little feller who had been interned up to that point and sent him in a sealed train to wreak havoc with the Tsar. Lenin. We might well think on those lines, or perhaps we already have.
The only thing though --- Persians are not Arabs --- and Islam is essentially all about Arab nationalism and control over the world. Persians had a better religion and culture before they were dominated and forced into submission by Arabs --- and you can see a pretty big difference between Arabs and Persians when they come to the USA to live or study or travel --- Persians usually dress like normal people, they apparently don't beat their women into wearing veils or even hair coverings. Overall they aren't nearly as weird.
You're right --- it did have a lot to do with Jimmy Carter --- but even when the Iranian extremists took Americans hostage, they didn't immediately behead them like an Arab group would --- they left them alive --- and released them when Reagan came into power. Persians aren't suited to Islam the way the Arabs are.
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