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McCartney calls for foie gras ban
BBC ^ | 24 Sept, 2004 | BBC Unattributed

Posted on 09/24/2004 10:14:41 AM PDT by RetroSexual

Sir Paul McCartney has urged California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger to ban the French delicacy foie gras.

The former Beatle appealed to Mr Schwarzenegger in a letter to make California the first state to ban the pate made from geese and duck livers.

Other stars, including Martin Sheen, Kim Basinger and Chrissie Hynde, also urged him to approve a bill to outlaw the sale and production of foie gras

Foie Gras is made by force-feeding the birds to expand their livers.

Sir Paul was asked to write the letter by animal rights group Viva!-USA.

He said: "As you probably know, the public has clearly demonstrated that it supports a ban on this inhumane practice.

"There is clearly nothing humane about mechanically inducing disease in a bird by forcing a pipe down its throat and making it consume such an abnormal quantity of food that its liver expands many times its normal size."

Last month, California's state legislature approved a bill that would outlaw the sale and production of foie gras.

'Cruelty'

The bill is now sitting on Mr Schwarzenegger's desk awaiting his assent.

Sir Paul added: "I feel sure that your natural feelings of compassion will encourage you to sign this basic humane bill into law."

In a separate letter, celebrities including Casey Affleck, Ally Sheedy and Christina Applegate, also urged him to enact the bill.

"It is wrong to subject animals to this kind of cruelty to produce a luxury food item," they said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: animalrights; california; foiegras; mccartney; peta; schwarzeneggar
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To: RetroSexual
He said: "As you probably know, the public has clearly demonstrated that it supports a ban on this inhumane practice.

Well, if that's true, then nobody would be eating this stuff, therefore it wouldn't be profitable to produce it. Problem solved without government intervention.

121 posted on 09/24/2004 11:21:06 AM PDT by Shethink13
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To: Betis70

If there is a Scottish Games/Gatheirng in your area, go. They have vendors there selling authentic British products. Good stuff like HP Sauce, which is awesome on fries.


122 posted on 09/24/2004 11:22:18 AM PDT by Bella_Bru (It's for the children = It takes a village)
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To: RetroSexual
How does he feel about turning babies into hamburger?

Just curious.

123 posted on 09/24/2004 11:23:29 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

Do you eat only free range chicken? What about those chickens that never see the light of day, and live solely in a crowded smelly coop? Shouldn't that torturous inhumane practice stop as well?


124 posted on 09/24/2004 11:23:43 AM PDT by Triple (All forms of socialism deny individuals the right to the fruits of their labor)
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To: RetroSexual
Sir Paul McCartney has urged California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger to ban the French delicacy foie gras.

Sir John, Sir Elton. They grind out knighthoods like the U.S. Mint coins pennies.

What a twit.

125 posted on 09/24/2004 11:25:27 AM PDT by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: Bella_Bru
Who are the people who actually physically do this to the bird?

They are retired Islamic beheaders.

126 posted on 09/24/2004 11:26:27 AM PDT by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: frgoff
Starving a veal calf of iron to keep it deliberately anemic is inhumane. Starving chickens for two weeks so that their feathers fall off to get one more batch of eggs out of them is inhumane. Force feeding ducks to abnormally enlarge their livers is inhumane. Do a Google on "forced-molting" as one example.

This is not being "treated properly" by the standards of a good society. Unhealthy cramped conditions for chickens have already been pinpointed for the spread of "bird flu" in Asia.

Engage your compassion. If you don't have any for the lesser creatures (uh, products) of this planet, then you still have a long way to go. I wish you luck in your journey.

127 posted on 09/24/2004 11:26:36 AM PDT by I Blame the Parents (Hangover is the wrath of grapes)
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To: Poohbah

I think I mentioned a strange craving for veal parmesan...

Thankfully, ther's a place that does a GREAT veal aprmesan sub near where I live. :)


128 posted on 09/24/2004 11:26:57 AM PDT by hchutch (I only eat dolphin-safe veal.)
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To: apackof2

It does sound gross. I have a hard time with this stuff. I've seen some shows on TV about how it is made, and it is just yucky.

I'm all for meat, but I'm not sure about this one. However, I'll just exercise my right not to eat it.


129 posted on 09/24/2004 11:29:52 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: undeniable logic
We ought to first ascertain that this is a standard practice. That a bunch of entertainment has-been lefties claim it is standard practice holds no weight with me.

If we do ascertain that force-feeding is a standard practice, then ban only that, not the product. The birds are slaughtered for food. If the livers are smaller, you end up with less pate, which takes the price up, which means people will consume less of it. Ban the inhumane, but let the market work. It usually works for the best. It does fail in some cases, however, such as when it props up superficially talented people and makes them millionaires so that they can use their time and money to pester a governor who has far more critical issues on his plate.
130 posted on 09/24/2004 11:30:05 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (I'm fresh out of tags. I'll pick some up tomorrow.)
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To: FlatLandBeer
An ingrediant in Beff Wellington.....Great stuff

Huh? I thought it was an ingredient in Beef Wellington.....

131 posted on 09/24/2004 11:31:06 AM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (I'm just a guy sitting in my living room in my pajamas...)
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To: dfwgator
I'd be willing to bet that the biggest consumers of foie gras, are limousine liberals, it sounds like metrosexual food if you ask me.

Yep. Most people in this country have never even heard of foie gras, let alone eaten it. It's a French delicacy, for goodness sakes!

132 posted on 09/24/2004 11:37:29 AM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

"Mr. Ginor, whose operation produces duck foie gras, presents the process of force feeding as neither painful nor distressing to the ducks. As proof, he adds that "when a person comes to feed them, they come to the feeders." These birds don't like people and usually avoid humans, or worse yet, act aggressively toward them. In his excellent article on Foie Gras from duck and goose in Southwest France, in the Fall 1998 issue of the Art of Eating Edward Behr, concurs, noting that the birds grow accustomed to the feeder during the fattening and neither shy away much nor resist. The feeding tube stays in the bird's neck for about ten seconds. (Mr. Ginor says it's one and one half seconds.) Ducks naturally swallow grit and stones. The esophagus of a duck is lined with fibrous protein cells that resemble bristles and does not bear comparison to that of a human. The activists attempts at anthropomorphism are understandable when the intent is propaganda, not enlightenment. In Behr's words, "a stressed or hurt bird won't eat and digest well or produce a foie gras." Behr's article also cites a section of the forthcoming Foie Gras . . . A Passion as source for some interesting history about the production of foie gras.

The triumph of ignorance, and censorship by intimidation are offensive. When I received an e-mail from a representative of John Wiley & Sons, asking if I might be interested in reviewing Ginor's new book on this site, I was most receptive. "

- found on google - another perspective - not written by the radical vegan & PETA propagandists


133 posted on 09/24/2004 11:38:29 AM PDT by Triple (All forms of socialism deny individuals the right to the fruits of their labor)
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

"Mr. Ginor, whose operation produces duck foie gras, presents the process of force feeding as neither painful nor distressing to the ducks. As proof, he adds that "when a person comes to feed them, they come to the feeders." These birds don't like people and usually avoid humans, or worse yet, act aggressively toward them. In his excellent article on Foie Gras from duck and goose in Southwest France, in the Fall 1998 issue of the Art of Eating Edward Behr, concurs, noting that the birds grow accustomed to the feeder during the fattening and neither shy away much nor resist. The feeding tube stays in the bird's neck for about ten seconds. (Mr. Ginor says it's one and one half seconds.) Ducks naturally swallow grit and stones. The esophagus of a duck is lined with fibrous protein cells that resemble bristles and does not bear comparison to that of a human. The activists attempts at anthropomorphism are understandable when the intent is propaganda, not enlightenment. In Behr's words, "a stressed or hurt bird won't eat and digest well or produce a foie gras." Behr's article also cites a section of the forthcoming Foie Gras . . . A Passion as source for some interesting history about the production of foie gras.

The triumph of ignorance, and censorship by intimidation are offensive. When I received an e-mail from a representative of John Wiley & Sons, asking if I might be interested in reviewing Ginor's new book on this site, I was most receptive. "

- found on google - another perspective - not written by the radical vegan & PETA propagandists


134 posted on 09/24/2004 11:39:26 AM PDT by Triple (All forms of socialism deny individuals the right to the fruits of their labor)
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To: Triple
Think of the freedom of property - these geese are the property of the owners.

Hmm ... so if I adopt dogs from the pound and set them on fire because it amuses me, that's ok because the dogs are my property?

If this is your philosophy, there's not much else I can say ...

135 posted on 09/24/2004 11:42:41 AM PDT by I Blame the Parents (Hangover is the wrath of grapes)
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To: Triple
the Fall 1998 issue of the Art of Eating

Oh, yeah, there's an unbiased source ...

136 posted on 09/24/2004 11:45:04 AM PDT by I Blame the Parents (Hangover is the wrath of grapes)
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To: ThomasMore

I think I remember that they served foie gras at that exclusive Kerry fundraiser out on Long Island a couple months ago. You know, the one where it rained and the A list got their thousand-dollar shoes muddy.


137 posted on 09/24/2004 11:46:19 AM PDT by agrace
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To: Triple

About a year ago, The Food Channel went to a Foie Gras farm and the geese rallied around the feeder guy, waiting their turn for their 1 second meal. It's really no different than what I do to give my dog his meds only it looked like the geese were having a lot more fun. Anyway, I found this so-called force feeding to be a pleasant and appreciated revelation.


138 posted on 09/24/2004 11:57:02 AM PDT by nuancey
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To: RetroSexual

I'm sure Ted Kennedy will have something to say about this.


139 posted on 09/24/2004 11:59:35 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Not Fonda Kerry in '04 // Vets Against Kerry)
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To: I Blame the Parents

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Starving a veal calf of iron to keep it deliberately anemic is inhumane.
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In precisely what way? Sickness? Nope. That would ruin the meat. Anemia isn't harmful unless it goes on for a long time. In calves being raised for veal, they aren't alive long enough to suffer ill effects. It would ruin the meat. Try again.

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Starving chickens for two weeks so that their feathers fall off to get one more batch of eggs out of them is inhumane.
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When chickens stop laying, they are sold for meat. Chickens who have been starved until their feathers fall off don't provide good quality meat. You've fallen for a lie.

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Force feeding ducks to abnormally enlarge their livers is inhumane.
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Torturous force feeding would ruin the liver's quality as meat. You've fallen for another lie.

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Engage your compassion.
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My compassion is just fine and in its proper place, complementing my reason, not replacing it.


140 posted on 09/24/2004 12:02:56 PM PDT by frgoff
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