Posted on 09/24/2004 8:51:27 AM PDT by esoxmagnum
"These people cannot beat us militarily," said George W. Bush, campaigning in Pennsylvania.
Neither could the North Vietnamese. What they, and the Iraqis -- Bush was referring to them, I assume, and not the Democrats -- could do is grind us down in a bloody war of attrition that our leaders lack the will to win. This is only the start, maybe. This election isn't about the 1,000 troops who have died in Iraq - nothing can be done abou them now, save going back in time. This election is about not losing 10,000 more soldiers by the time the campaign of 2008 comes around. I never met a person who cared whether the Iraqis enjoy the fruits of democracy or not.
(Excerpt) Read more at suntimes.com ...
Enjoy
But you do get Mark Steyn from time to time.
If we disband the military we won't lose any soldiers at all. Civilians, maybe ... but they don't count, do they?
I can't find the article.
"I never met a person who cared whether the Iraqis enjoy the fruits of democracy or not."
He may as well have said, "I dont care if Saddam killed every Iraqi on the planet!" or "I wouldn't care if Hitler killed every Jew in Germany."
Very, very, selfish statement.
He conveniently forgets the Giap admitted years laterin his autobiography that they were on the verge of defeat, but were heartened and logistically helped by peole like Kerry, Fonda and others. The Quaker organization, American Friends Service Committee, as I recollect, actually sent aid to the North Vietnamese.
Sorry I'm new to posting here, this article just got my goat.
The article is from my very own newspaper, todays, page 24. The only link I have is for the suntimes, not the article in itself, I wouldn't know how to find that.
Unless the insurgents about a nuke, there will not be 10,000 dead soldiers. I seriously doubt if we will pass 1500. We control most of the country and elections will be held in January. The job is 80-90% complete.
I never met a person who cared whether the Iraqis enjoy the fruits of democracy or not.
That's says tons about the people you choose to hang out with.
What defeated us in Vietnam was a lack of will to win. We have John Kerry to thank for much of that.
If the foriegn fighters intend on inflicting 10,000 U.S. casualties by 2008, then they'd better go get some help. At this rate, they've already lost much of their experienced cadres. Now they're churning out wild eyed Sunni extremists that kill Iraqis left and right.
Beheadings, roadside bombs, and the occasional sniping are not tools of people who are winning. Sure, they'll inflict casualties, but their organization has no future. The foriegn fighter insurgency is circling the drain, and clinging to a hope that gets more distant every day.
Agreed. Every day, we see more evidence of the Iraqis taking greater responsibility for their own security. This is GOOD news, but Kerry wants to spin events in Iraq to portray this as "Vietnam."
I cannot trust a man to be Commander-in-Chief who sees every use of military force as "gridlock."
"I never met a person who cared whether the Iraqis enjoy the fruits of democracy or not."
Right, along with selfish, this argument attempts to re-direct the debate. It's not ONLY about Iraqi democracy and freedom, it's PRIMARILY about changing the Mideast in a profound way. Taking the modern Arab Saladin warrior swaggering Stalin wannabe and easily defeating him.
Proving America's might, its resolve to defend its interests, making an unmistakable point to those who would attack us. Displaying the Wests righteous strength followed by a godly concern for freedom. The world sees both the fury and the benevolence of the USA.
No, folks, it's about much more than Iraqis. This is the giant message from the wounded tiger: bite my tail and you will pay. The USA won't impulsively strike back, we will try diplomacy first and plan a brutally effective military response if that fails.
Works for me.
How did you post this if you could not find the article?
http://www.suntimes.com/index/steinberg.html
Here are Steinberg's articles and this is not one of them.
However the "excerpt" above is all there is on the topic. The editorial covers several topics.
I can't wait until newspapers become obsolete.
He should be Freeped. I just sent this email to him:
Mr. Steinberg,
To quote you:
“I never met a person who cared whether the Iraqis enjoy the fruits of democracy or not.”
I just wanted to let you know that I certainly care whether Iraq enjoys the fruits of Democracy for both moral reasons and our national security. If the French had had your view of the world in the late 18th century there’s a good chance we’d still be a British Colony.
Luckily I don’t believe many people have your attitude. You may try coming off of your pedestal and talking to people outside of your obviously limited circle.
Regards,
Bill Hershey
Obviously he needs to meet some people that do care. :)
A telling confession of the quality of liberal "compassion" if ever there was one. No one is surprised that in the circles the author runs they couldn't possibly care less what happens to anybody but the people who go to the "right" parties, drink the "right" wine, and read the "right" books.
But one would expect that they'd be capable of enlightened self-interest: a free, stable, and democratic Iraq will stop being a cesspool for terrorists to breed. If you can't get behind the idea that dumping people in shredders and feeding people to dogs is something that a "progressive" person ought to be able to support, perhaps you can at least understand that. Set aside your unreasoning hatred for the President (and what iconically he represents) and look to your own protection.
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thanks for the link
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I've been up to Owasippe, the Boy Scout camp in Michigan. Years ago, with a group of Eagle Scouts from Cabrini-Green. Lovely place. A big expanse of trees and trails and lakes. Felt a little sad when I heard that the Chicago Area Council of the Boy Scouts plans to sell off more than 80 percent of it to keep from going broke.
Yes, "thrifty'' only rates ninth in the Boy Scout Law, trailing behind "kind, obedient and cheerful.'' Still, you have to wonder what these guys have been up to. The camp has been around since 1911. They didn't have to sell it before. Owasippe is one of those resources that, once it's gone, it's gone forever. Nobody is ever going to tear up a suburban development and put in a camp. Why, one might wonder, are the Boy Scouts going broke? With all the emphasis on nature, with the surge of post 9/11 patriotism, you'd think that a quasi-military youth group devoted to camping and the outdoors would be in its glory days. Could they -- possibly -- have somehow fallen out of step? I had a conversation at the breakfast table the same weekend the Scouts said they had to sell their camp to stay solvent.
"Did you see this?'' my wife said, holding up a flier. "Do you think the boys want to join Cub Scouts?'' I was a Scout and loved it.
"The Scouts are a hate group,'' I said, referring to their harsh, punitive stance on gays, a position I sum up as "No s'mores for you fags.''
She tossed the flier into the trash.
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