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To: hopespringseternal
Another example often used is: You are a raisen inside of bread. As the dough expands, the raisins will distance themselves from each other.

Nice example, but even a raisin could detect center and the outer edge of the expanding bread dough.

Why? Because the center will not move in relation to all other objects, and anything beyond the edge can not be viewed.

There is something seriously wrong with our current mathematical view of the Universe.

56 posted on 09/24/2004 10:48:10 AM PDT by Hunble
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To: Hunble
There is something seriously wrong with our current mathematical view of the Universe.

With all due respect, the fact that you're having trouble visualizing it doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with the model. It means that there's something wrong with your understanding of it.

59 posted on 09/24/2004 10:58:06 AM PDT by Ichneumon ("...she might as well have been a space alien." - Bill Clinton, on Hillary, "My Life", p. 182)
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To: Hunble
Nice example, but even a raisin could detect center and the outer edge of the expanding bread dough.

Sure, the raisin is always at the center. Why? Because the edge is not observable since the universe is larger than it is old. If the universe is 13 billion years old and 14 billion years across (well, in radius from our position) then a billion years are not observable, therefore we can't see the edge.

Why? Because the center will not move in relation to all other objects, and anything beyond the edge can not be viewed.

No, the edge itself can't be viewed. The problem with looking at this through analogies (models) is that the analogy inevitibably breaks down pretty quickly. You can't infer that every element of the behavior of what is being modeled conforms to the behavior of the model.

83 posted on 09/24/2004 11:37:35 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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