Pre-Inca Ruins Emerrging From Peru's Cloud Forests (Chapapoyas)

National Geographic ^ | 9-16-2004 | John Roach

[blam]

"How do they know the people were fair skinned and tall? I wonder if they were blue-eyed, too? Could they be kin to the "white tribe" of the Amazon?"

Years ago I read an article about tall, blonde, blue-eyed people living in the high mountains of Colombia. The article called them, 'The-White-Cloud-People,' we had an engineer from Colombia working in our group (Zulma), I asked her and she said, yes they're there. I've never been able to find another word about them...and, I even wrote some letters.

[Polonius]

Could this begin to explain the myth of Quetzalcoatl (supposedly a tallish white man)?

[blam]

"Could this begin to explain the myth of Quetzalcoatl (supposedly a tallish white man)?"

Yes.

[Urbane_Guerilla]

Blam has the most consistently fascinating posts of anyone on any site.

[John_7Diamonds]

7 or 8 feet that is tall. Yes I have heard about skeletons that have been found of very tall people. Some say these are the people genesis refers too. Giants, Men of reknown.

Our planet is 4 billion years old. Our history goes only about a nanosecond back, relatively that is.

No telling what the past was really like.

John

[blam]

"Could this begin to explain the myth of Quetzalcoatl (supposedly a tallish white man)?"

Here, read about the 8,000 year old European mummies found in Florida.

[blam]

"Blam has the most consistently fascinating posts of anyone on any site."

Thanks, I love this stuff.

[ruoflaw]

blam, that is ok, I just forgot where you lived. I will remind you another time and I will look forward to it!

[blam]

Historic Atlantis In Bolivia?

[blam]

Ping. Chapapoyas.

[blam]

2004: Top (Archaeological) Finds on Bolivian Highlands

Statue Found In Bolovian Ruins

[Varda]

" distinguished by fair skin and great height"

I've been looking around for some evidence for this claim and can find none. The Chapapoyas left plenty of mummies and they've been studied but I've seen nothing indicating that these mummies differ in any particular way from other South Americans. I wonder if somebody was pulling this reporters leg and he fell for it.

[blam]

" I wonder if somebody was pulling this reporters leg and he fell for it."

Don't think so. I've read about these people from a number of sources.

[Varda]

Have you seen anything written by someone who works with these mummies?

[blam]

"Have you seen anything written by someone who works with these mummies?"

No.

[Cronos]

I marvel at the amount of time and money we spend studying long dead savage societies having no bearing on modern life. Egyptian, Greek ... ok. they have relevance. S. American, African, Eskimo? Waste of time and resources.

Well, "savage" would not be a correct term for the Incas. And yes, the Incas etc. would have a bearing on modern society -- at the very least we learn from their mistakes. African? Egypt is technically part of Africa, though I guess you mean sub-saharan Africa, because Egypt, North Africa and to some extent Ethiopia ARE relevant to the development of Western civilisation.

For sub-saharan Africa, the stone age tribes in Papua New Guinea and South America, got to admit, lesser influence, but we can learn and have learnt medicinal techniques from them

[Cronos]

Could you feel the way you do because ancient Egyptians and Greeks were "white", whereas the other societies you mentioned are "people of color"? Sure sounds racist to me.

Welll, ancient egyptians weren't "white", they were "brown". They weren't even pure Caucasians, but looking at the paintings on their tombs seem to have been a Caucasian-Nubian-Ethiopian mix. That's in the Old Kingdom. In the Middle Kingdom they acquired more Semitic, Libyan and Berber blood (and maybe Mycenean Greek through the Sea Peoples/Philistines). In the Late Kingdom there were Assyrian, Persian invasions and Nubian Pharoahs.

The Ptolemys were Greek in ethnicity

Anyway, back to my point -- there's no such thing as the "white race", there are only Caucasians, Negroids and Mongoloids. Caucasians are the second most diverse grouping after the Negroids, with skin tones ranging from colorless (white) to near black (Dravidians) and with various shades of brown in between. The hair color also varys from India to England.

[Cronos]

Here, read about the 8,000 year old European mummies found in Florida.

Just to be scientifically consistent -- you mean Caucasian mummies, not European since 8,000 years ago most of the ancestors of most of today's Europeans were still wandering the lands of Central Asia, Eastern Persia and Western India (Indo-Europeans/Aryans)

[clearsky]

I think you'll find this interesting. There is a record available of two great civilizations, and two nations. Which lived on the american continent anciently. And you can read or listen to it online:

Hete's the Introduction
fortifications: (Citadels)
highways/cities

[blam]

"Just to be scientifically consistent -- you mean Caucasian mummies, not European since 8,000 years ago most of the ancestors of most of today's Europeans were still wandering the lands of Central Asia, Eastern Persia and Western India (Indo-Europeans/Aryans)"

I understand and agree with what you're saying. But, the doctor (in charge of the DNA lab) interviewed said European.