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Dan and Burkett Transcript
http://www.mudvillegazette.com/archives/001381.html ^ | Dan Rather

Posted on 09/20/2004 3:57:31 PM PDT by RatherBiased.com

Edited on 09/20/2004 4:44:25 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

DAN RATHER: Now, news about CBS News, and the questions surrounding documents we aired on this broadcast and on the wednesday edition of "60 minutes" on September 8. The documents purported to show that George W. Bush received preferential treatment during his years in the national guard.

At the time, CBS news and this reporter fully believed the documents were genuine. Tonight, after further investigation, we can no longer say that. The documents were provided to CBS news by a former commander in the Texas National Guard, Bill Burkett. Burkett is well known in National Guard circles for a long battle over his medical benefits, and for trying, for several years now, to discredit President Bush's military service record.

Burkett initially told CBS news he got the documents from a fellow guardsman. But when we interviewed Burkett this past weekend, he changed his story, and told us he got the documents from a different source, one we cannot verify. Why did Burkett tell CBS news something he now says is not true? We put the question to him.

(from interview)

Why did you mislead us?

BILL BURKETT: Well, I didn't totally mislead you. I misled you on the one individual. You know, your staff pressured me to a point to reveal that source.

RATHER: Well, we were trying to get the chain of possession.

BURKETT: I understand that.

RATHER: And you said that you had received them from someone.

BURKETT: I understand that.

RATHER: We did pressure you to say, well, you received them from someone.

BURKETT: Yes.

RATHER: And it's true, we pressured you. It was a very important point for us.

BURKETT: Yes. And I simply threw out a name. That was basically, I guess, to take a little pressure off for a moment.

RATHER: Have you forged anything?

BURKETT: No, sir.

RATHER: He you faked anything?

BURKETT: No, sir.

RATHER: But you did mislead us.

BURKETT: Yes, I misled.

RATHER: You lied to us.

BURKETT: Yes, I did.

RATHER: Now, if you would misled us about that, which is critical, why would I or anyone believe that you wouldn't mislead us about something else?

BURKETT: I could understand that question. I can'T... that's going to have to be your judgment and anybody else's.

RATHER: Burkett still insists the documents are real, but now says he was in no position to verify them.

BURKETT: I also insisted when I sat down with your staff in the first face-to-face session, before I gave up any documents, I wanted to know what you were going to do with them, and I insisted that they be authenticated.

RATHER: The failure of CBS News to do just that, to properly scrutinize the documents and their source, led to errors in our reporting. CBS News deeply regrets it. Also I want to say personally and directly, I'm sorry. CBS News President Andrew Heyward has ordered an investigation to examine the process by which the report was prepared. It will be made public. This was an error made in good faith as we try to carry on the CBS News tradition of asking tough questions and investigating reports. But it was a mistake.

Now, some reaction to our revelations today. It comes from a spokesman for President Bush, Scott McClellan.

SCOTT McCLELLAN (White House Spokesman): Obviously there are still a number of questions that need to be answered, and we look forward to seeing the results of the investigations that other media organizations have undertaken, and that CBS says that they are now undertaking. We appreciate the fact that they have said they deeply regret it, but we still want to see those questions answered.

RATHER: And Scott McClellan repeated the the White House insistence that President Bush fulfilled his obligation to the National Guard and he was honorably discharged.

See reply 70 for an updated transcript .... Admin Moderator


TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: burkett; cbsnews; rather; rathergate; stainedbluememo
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To: Motherbear
Say Burkett faxed the docs around (someone sure did). Why would CBS go to him and pressure him to say where he got them? And he gives out a name that isn't the real true source to get CBS off his back? Riiiight.

Also, Burkett did NOT SAY the docs weren't forged. He only said he didn't do it.

22 posted on 09/20/2004 4:09:47 PM PDT by unsycophant
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To: Motherbear

He's still trying to distract attention away from a DNC and Kerry campaign connection, making it look like it was between CBS and Burkett!


23 posted on 09/20/2004 4:10:18 PM PDT by Barnstormer
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To: RatherBiased.com
So why didn't CBS demand to interview the former guardsman that Burkett originally said he got the documents from, and apparently named. Absolutely unbelievable!
24 posted on 09/20/2004 4:10:27 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Inyokern

Oh, I'll bet you...

HEY! Wasn't Max Cleland in Crawford recently to deliver some documents to President Bush in person? My guess is he did a little FAXing from the Kinko's in Abilene on his way out of town.


25 posted on 09/20/2004 4:10:49 PM PDT by andie74 (W stands for Women)
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To: RatherBiased.com
The DNCBS story and they're sticking to it!

RATHER: Burkett still insists the documents are real, but now says he was in no position to verify them.

BURKETT: I also insisted when I sat down with your staff in the first face-to-face session, before I gave up any documents, I wanted to know what you were going to do with them, and I insisted that they be authenticated.

They are still claiming the 'story' to be true, but without the "authenicated" support documents.

26 posted on 09/20/2004 4:12:00 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Inyokern

"Ramon or Raymond..."

Don't forget, CBS has had hours to edit this tape. They would have cut out anything they didn't want us to know. They are aware by now that we will scrutinize everything that comes out very carefully. What I'm trying to say is that it may be a red herring.


27 posted on 09/20/2004 4:12:02 PM PDT by toomanygrasshoppers ("Hold on to your hats.....it's going to be a bumpy night")
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To: A Citizen Reporter

Since this is potentially a criminal matter, the FBI should be interviewing Burkett and find out from whom he received the docs.


28 posted on 09/20/2004 4:12:11 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: RatherBiased.com

Anyone else noticed that we still do not know who created the forged docs and exactly how the dems knew about this in order to run their "operation fortunate son."


29 posted on 09/20/2004 4:12:18 PM PDT by BoBToMatoE
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To: RatherBiased.com

President Bush would have received a better apology from a coach of a losing football team. Rather is such a jerk. He is probably mad because he got caught. He didn't directly apologize to the President. But, then again, I didn't expect him to. His ego wouldn't be able to take that.His hatred of Bush was evident. Don't look for him to resign either. He will not be fired.


30 posted on 09/20/2004 4:12:19 PM PDT by SmithPatterson
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To: PJ-Comix

Has anyopne looked into the relationship between the Texas army national gaurd and the Texas air national gaurd. I know in most other states they are not connected in training areas or any other way even if Burkett was an officer they dont share information .


31 posted on 09/20/2004 4:12:30 PM PDT by bdfromlv (leavenworth hard time)
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To: schouston

HAHAHAHAHA!

Well, Katie, bar the door, here come the Freepers, and they're madder than hornets with a grizzly in their hive.


32 posted on 09/20/2004 4:12:33 PM PDT by andie74 (W stands for Women)
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To: RatherBiased.com
BURKETT: I also insisted when I sat down with your staff in the first face-to-face session, before I gave up any documents, I wanted to know what you were going to do with them, and I insisted that they be authenticated.

Too many conflicting stories - assuming he had a face to face meeting - why would Burkett then need to "fax" CBS the documents....

Also what about the paper that said they received all six memos independently of CBS - did Dan bother to ask Burkett if he were the source for that transmission - or did they come directly from the "unnamed" source?-

This is all about SPINNING AND DAMAGE CONTROL - NOT GETTING AT THE TRUTH!!

33 posted on 09/20/2004 4:12:47 PM PDT by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: toomanygrasshoppers
What I'm trying to say is that it may be a red herring.

Could be. It is strange that I don't see it in the transcript.

It could also be a code name Burkett made up.

34 posted on 09/20/2004 4:13:49 PM PDT by Inyokern
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To: RatherBiased.com
Missing from this transcript is Dan Rather's statement that CBS contacted Burkett first. That means someone else told CBS that Burkett had the memos. That person (Kerry, Carville,???) could have also strongly suggested to CBS that they get the ,memos and run the story IMMEDIATELY in conjunction with the DNC and 527s campaign against Bush's National Guard service.

"he changed his story, and told us he got the documents from a different source, one we cannot verify. "

Why can't they verify that source? Is he dead? Or is Burkett refusing to give CBS the name? A Congressional committee could ask Burkett that question and if he takes the 5th he could lose all retirement pay.

"BURKETT: Yes. And I simply threw out a name. "

Why didn't CBS check with that person to verify that he passed the memos to Burkett?

35 posted on 09/20/2004 4:13:50 PM PDT by bayourod (Hagel's and Lugar's anti-war statements are unpatriotic and endanger the lives of our troops.)
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To: RatherBiased.com

"To err is human but to really foul up requires a computer." - Dan Rather


36 posted on 09/20/2004 4:14:38 PM PDT by SwinneySwitch (A 4 month swift boat commander or a 4 year Commander in Chief? You Decide.)
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To: schouston
Who put CBS on Burkett's trail?

I assume that Burkett was the person responsible for faxing the documents around, but it sounds like he sent them to more outlets than CBS. Other news orgs named him as probably being the source, right away, so they had to know that their copies came from him. So why did CBS bite? OR, why didn't the other outlets?

37 posted on 09/20/2004 4:15:27 PM PDT by unsycophant
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To: bayourod

Well, if the desire was for this thing to die, it certainly raised more red flags for people.

Do you think this will make it to Congressional Committee? How do we make that happen?


38 posted on 09/20/2004 4:15:51 PM PDT by andie74 (W stands for Women)
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To: Motherbear

Let's see what Michael Dobbs @ Washington Post does with this - he seems to be quite the reporter that all the rest of journalism should aspire to be.


40 posted on 09/20/2004 4:16:49 PM PDT by Steven W.
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