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aNG Col on Fox News says Bush volunteered for Nam!

Posted on 09/20/2004 5:28:26 AM PDT by JaguarXKE

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KEYWORDS: ang; bush; bushvietnam; ltbush; tang
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
The F 102 fire control system was a 1950 design. No transistors only tubes. Its computer was analog not digital.

Obviously, then Lt. Bush salvaged a computer from an F102, wrote a new O/S and word processing app, and created the CBS memos himself! He knew CBS would find the memos in 2004 and the memos would be exposed as 'forgeries', thus destroying CBS's reputation. It is all so diabolical! < /sarcasm>

p.s. If anyone from C-BS news is reading this, please note the "< /sarcasm>" notation means to not take the above comment seriously. I wouldn't want you goin' off half cocked again with some cockamamie 'news flash' about the memos!
41 posted on 09/20/2004 6:02:42 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: HenryLeeII
Lively also pointed out that no one needed preferential treatment to get into the Air Guard. They advertised for pilots. Advertised. Bush took the pilot entrance exams while he was still in school. He prepared for the Air Guard. When asked why he wanted to fly airplanes, he answered "because my Dad did."
42 posted on 09/20/2004 6:04:11 AM PDT by Samwise (Kerry's convoluted speaking style correlates with his convoluted thought processes.)
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To: HenryLeeII
Another witness:

AUSTIN, Texas -- When George W. Bush joined the Texas Air National Guard in 1968, there was little chance he would ever see Vietnam from the cockpit of his F-102 Delta Dagger jet fighter.

When the plane was in demand overseas, Bush was not yet qualified to fly it. By the time he passed his final combat flight test in June 1970, the Air Force was pulling the jets out of Southeast Asia.

Bush, the Texas governor and presumptive Republican presidential nominee, said in his autobiography that he and a friend, Fred Bailey, tried to join the Palace Alert program that rotated National Guard pilots into Vietnam. A colonel told them only a few more pilots would go and "Fred and I had not logged enough hours to participate," Bush wrote.

Retired Col. Maury Udell, who trained Bush to fly the F-102, has no doubt his pupil was willing to go to Vietnam.Udell agreed that Bush was too inexperienced for Palace Alert, but he said the young man did become a good fighter pilot. "George got really good in air-to-air combat," he said.

Source

43 posted on 09/20/2004 6:08:26 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: LowNslow

Palace Alert, as mentioned by several othger posters here, was the program by which Guard pilots were rotated through Vietnam (among other assignements). Bush did in fact volunteer for the program, was turned down on the basis of insufficient flying time, he applied for a waiver, but by that time the F-102,designed specifically as a high-speed, high altitude interceptor, a type effectively without a practical role in Vietnam. Having neither guns nor external pylons suitable for bombs or air-to-ground rocketsm nor readilly fittable with extended-range/loiter fuel tanks, it simply wasn't the right tool for any job there, and despite experiments to better suit the plane to the conditions which applied, no practical solution was found and by the time Bish applied for the waiver, the type had been withdrawn from the operational theater. As the end of Bush's obligation approached, the obsolescent F-102 already was being phased out of both the Active Airforce and the Air Guard. Palace Guard is a program - still in effect, I believe - which deals with early separation from The Guard.

An interesting sidelight - the Delta-Winged Convair F-102, the plane Bush flew, was among contemporary types second behind the Stub-Winged Lockheed F-104 in number of accidents and accidents involving crew fatality - it was at the time one of the most dangerous planes to fly. Further useless and off-topic trivia, the U-2 spyplane essentially was a variant of the F-104.


44 posted on 09/20/2004 6:09:21 AM PDT by timberlandko (Murphy was an optimist.)
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To: 6SJ7
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1220834/posts

ABCNNBCbs should go to above URL and see what real reporting can accomplish.
45 posted on 09/20/2004 6:10:28 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Rather calls Saddam "Mister President" and calls President Bush "bush")
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To: ravingnutter

Thanks for your input. The frustrating thing about this whole ANG issue is that the president himself hasn't discussed this in full, and neither have the White House press people. I guess its up to the Freepers to put the pieces together and alert the media.


46 posted on 09/20/2004 6:10:38 AM PDT by HenryLeeII (sultan88, R.I.P.)
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To: JaguarXKE
President Bush didn't get to Vietnam for another reason: the USAF no longer used the F-102 Delta Dagger in Vietnam by the time Bush had enough hours on the plane (circa 1970). The USAF did fly the F-102 in Vietnam during the middle 1960's to provide protection against the North Vietnamese Air Force flying bombing raids to South Vietnam, but since that threat never really materialized the F-102's were sent back to the States in favor of more planes that had fighter-bomber capability. That's why the USAF sent many F-100 Super Sabre, F-105 Thunderchief and F-4 Phantom II units to operational service in Vietnam because they were used for close air support bombing operations.
47 posted on 09/20/2004 6:11:31 AM PDT by RayChuang88
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To: Samwise
Lively also pointed out that no one needed preferential treatment to get into the Air Guard. They advertised for pilots. Advertised.

But, but, Ben Barnes helped get him in. And Dan Rather said so. How can this be?

48 posted on 09/20/2004 6:12:12 AM PDT by HenryLeeII (sultan88, R.I.P.)
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To: timberlandko

Well, I see I shoulda proofread that for typos and sentence fragments, but I'm sure you get the gist. Sorry for the sloppiness.


49 posted on 09/20/2004 6:12:52 AM PDT by timberlandko (Murphy was an optimist.)
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To: JaguarXKE
I saw the guy on FNC as well. He also mentioned a very interesting item regarding President Bush's so-called "special treatment". The TANG was actually short of pilots and they were recruting them via local newspapers in Texas.

When I was in college, I was fascinated by the Martin Scorcese movie, Goodfellas and I went to the library to research some of the actual robberies that were shown in the movie using microfiche of local New York newspapers.

During my research, I was fascinated by all of the old advertising.

Unfortunately, I do not have the time go to the library and do research on whether there was actual advertising by TANG for pilots in the early 70's, but perhaps some enterprising Texas Freeper could take a day and do some research. This would put the final nail in the coffin regarding this issue.Just a thought

50 posted on 09/20/2004 6:15:14 AM PDT by GWB00
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To: HenryLeeII

Who is the only major-party presidential nominee to volunteer for Swift boat service, because at that time, they were not delployed to hazardous locations?


51 posted on 09/20/2004 6:15:44 AM PDT by 4CJ (Laissez les bon FReeps rouler)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

yeah, I mean, it's not like he was working the carnival circuit as a grenade juggler.


52 posted on 09/20/2004 6:21:12 AM PDT by Cosmo (Dan Rather is F@$#$ed : F@#$@ed like a horned toad under a moonlit Texas sky.)
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To: my right
Why do people keep saying Bush flew the F-104 when it was actually the F-102? Rush made the same mistake the other day.

Well, possibly due to the fact that the F-104 "Lawn Dart" was a well known widow-maker. The Germans lost quite a few pilots in those things. It's a neat looking century fighter though.

53 posted on 09/20/2004 6:23:50 AM PDT by AndrewC (I also think that Carthage should be destroyed. - Cato)
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To: ravingnutter

Good stuff. Thanks. Was Udell supposed to be the Colonel that Bush approached?


54 posted on 09/20/2004 6:47:54 AM PDT by The G Man (I'm mad as ZELL and I'm not gonna take it anymore!)
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To: Brilliant

"I don't know why we keep stirring this cauldron. We won this battle. It's over. Forget about it. Throwing out new stuff is just going to muddy the waters."

This quote looks familiar....is this the quote you always use when there is a vindication of Bush thread going around??


55 posted on 09/20/2004 6:50:52 AM PDT by Getsmart64 (LANTIRN - Designed to kill, maim, and destroy ....America's enemies...)
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To: HenryLeeII
Also, where was Bambi (a.k.a. Breck Boy)? He turned 18 in 1971 when the draft was still going on. How many deferrments did he seek?

The draft lottery for Edwards' birth year (1953) was performed on 2/2/72. So while he might have had a student deferment for one term (Nixon canceled them in 12/70?), he could not be called up until 1973. The last men to be drafted were those born in 1952, #85 and less.

56 posted on 09/20/2004 6:53:49 AM PDT by DmBarch
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To: Getsmart64

Just out of curiousity, what should Bush say when a reporter asks him if he volunteered for Vietnam, as this Col. claims? Why are we diverting attention from Rathergate by changing the subject?


57 posted on 09/20/2004 6:56:27 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
You got that right! CBS, et all, have been wasting years trying to 'get' Pres. Bush with the TX ANG story. Meanwhile, the U.N. Oil-for-Food scandal sits there like a pile of feces on the living room carpet, and the MSM avoids even a mention of the story. Of course, the libs worship at the alter of the U.N., so the idea of investigating that organization is anathema to them.

Nice to see the good ol' FOX network finally doing some digging on this story.

58 posted on 09/20/2004 7:00:05 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: Brilliant
"Just out of curiousity, what should Bush say when a reporter asks him if he volunteered for Vietnam, as this Col. claims?"

Hopefully the truth...what else would he say?

"Why are we diverting attention from Rathergate by changing the subject?"

Wait a sec...your aforementioned Rathergate is what this is all about...I'm thinking maybe you should change your Freeper nick....
59 posted on 09/20/2004 7:05:51 AM PDT by Getsmart64 (LANTIRN - Designed to kill, maim, and destroy ....America's enemies...)
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To: Getsmart64

Bush's volunteering for Nam is the same thing as Rathergate? I don't follow.

Bush will tell the truth, which is that he did not volunteer for Nam. How does raising erroneous speculation that Bush may have volunteered for Nam help his candidacy?


60 posted on 09/20/2004 7:10:00 AM PDT by Brilliant
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