Posted on 09/19/2004 10:39:50 PM PDT by MarMema
The liberals didn't support Hitler, and they were right. Hitler was considered a "conservative" by his fellow countrymen. Throwing around these labels are meaningless as the terms have different meanings in different nations, eras, cultures, etc.
You admit Putin wants to centralize power and is a control freak but say he is not a communist because of his "conservative" economic programs. Hitler revitalized the Germany economy. No, Putin "may" not be a communist in your mind, but he is definitely a fascist and a would-be dictator and in my mind there is no redeeming difference.
Iranian governments strong nuclear friend is Russia.
http://www.iranian.com/Namazie/2004/September/Nuclear/index.html
Against a nuclear Iran
Interview with Ali Javadi
September 17, 2004
iranian.com
Iran has angered USA and European countries by re-starting parts of its nuclear program and refusing to abandon efforts to master uranium enrichment. Iran has declared that threats to send its nuclear case to the U.N. Security Council will not make it drop its quest for nuclear technology. Why won't it back down?
Ali Javadi: I believe all indications are pointing toward the direction that the Islamic regime of Iran is moving forward with its nuclear programme in order to equip itself with weapons of mass destruction. It seems to be the only way at this point in time that the Islamic regime can save itself from confronting the opposition and the protesting people and its contradictions. This is the regime's last resort to save itself at this juncture.
But the Islamic regime of Iran insists it is for peaceful purposes. Is that not the case?
This is what the Islamic regime claims. But all indicators and evidence state otherwise. The degree of the uranium enrichment found is much beyond that which is needed for peaceful purposes. Such a degree is designed for weapons use.
Also it is clear that the Islamic regime of Iran wants to have access to nuclear weapons in order to change the balance of power and face the opposition particularly after 'regime change' having taken place in Iraq. The Islamic regime sees this as the only weapon possible vis-à-vis a regime change policy. They are striving to pursue the line that North Korea pursued, to access atomic weapons and position themselves differently vis-à-vis their confrontations in the world.
Some would say the Islamic regime of Iran has a legitimate right to use advanced nuclear technology. Does it?
Peaceful technology and peaceful use of nuclear technology is something that is obviously within the domain of all countries but the Islamic regime is geared towards developing WMD and nuclear weapons. These Islamic beasts, this political movement must not be allowed to be equipped with the atomic bomb. As it is they are a machinery of killing.
Some anti-imperialists like the fact that Iran is standing up to the USA, west and say Israel has such capabilities and so does several other western countries; why pick on Iran?
Israel should not have WMD. The USA should not have them. Israel's having WMD doesn't justify the Islamic regime having them. No one should have WMD. All of these weapons are geared towards the destruction of humanity and are a threat against people; the victims of these weapons are people alone. If you are on the people's side, you can only argument for their elimination and have a movement to eliminate WMD rather than taking one side over the other.
What would be the purpose of the regime having these weapons? What would the further expansion of nuclear weapons in the world serve? It would only serve to increase the degree of threats against the people.
The history of this Islamic movement has shown what these weapons are used for. Anyone who is even a little familiar with the Islamic movement will not accept such an argument at all.
Is it ever justifiable to have nuclear weapons? Some argue that it's useful as a threat to maintain peace. Do you agree?
No, I don't. The best argument here is that not having it is a much stronger weapon for peace. And if the peace movement could disarm the nuclear machinery, it would be a much stronger means for achieving peace.
What should progressive people's policies be towards the regime's nuclear project?
They should oppose it. They should join our ranks to overthrow the Islamic regime of Iran; that's the only way to stop the regime's accessing nuclear weapons. The safest bet is to speed up the process of overthrowing the regime by the revolutionary movement of people. All progressive forces, socialist forces, all those who care for humanity and want to remove this danger from the world scene should join our ranks to oppose the Islamic regime having access to nuclear programmes and also any other state.
You make some good points. Let me get back to you on it in the morning.
Very well. Good night.
Of course he does, but namecalling is never a good choice.
I totally agree.
Cite the name-calling, please?
I hope Iran isn't making Saddam's mistake of counting on Russia to hang tough with them when the going gets rough.
from post 34.
"You're an idiot"
Along with various accusations that I am communist.
Question from a German journalist: Presidents, Federal Chancellor. The Russian Federation helps the Islamic Republic of Iran to build nuclear energy stations. There is now concern that Iran is also trying to develop nuclear weapons, also with the help of a Russian nuclear research plant. Iran also produces ballistic missiles which can reach Israel and Europe. What is Russia doing to prevent this, and what can Europe do against this? Mr. Chancellor, there are also suspicions that German firms are involved in this.
"Vladimir Putin: Russia indeed works with Iran in many areas, and we will continue to do this. At the same time, like our European colleagues, in France, Germany, Great Britain, and like the U.S.A., we are concerned about questions that arise on the Iran nuclear programme. We were categorically against widening the club of nuclear nations, including the addition of Iran. I want to stress this: we are categorically opposed to this. We hold talks with our Iranian partners, and we will try to achieve certain guarantees from their side, such as agreements, and we believe that this problem can and must be examined by the international community at this stage in the framework of the MAGATE. We will work with our partners on this issue, transparently, actively and persistently. At the same time, our position is that these problems should not lead to an additional unjustified competitive fight for the according markets. The market of nuclear technology used for peaceful means is severely limited. Iran is one of these markets. We need to reach agreements according to which we act by common rules. But all of us, I repeat, are unanimous that we must do everything to prevent the widening of the club of nuclear nations, including the addition of Iran.
"I'll just go have another beer. Perhaps our more erudite FReepers can help me out here?"
When it comes to having another beer, I'm ALWAYS ready to help.
"The Italian State is highly centralized, with a central state authority (the Government), 20 regions and about a hundred provinces. The prefect of each of the provinces is appointed by and answerable to the central government, which he locally represents. The national constitution provides for 20 regions with limited governing powers."
I hope you are not worried about Italy! :-)
Seriously don't let the fearmongering liberal media run your life.
If it's true, as you say, that the USA would resort to this in the event of another terrorist attack, I would imagine our government would have more than islamists to worry about.
All of politics is local. Shut down local politics and there is no democracy. One national election is easy to rig. Hundreds of local ones is more likely to leak secrets. Abolishing the local ones altogether is not the answer in the USA and it's not going to make terrorists leave Russia. Encouraged by this, rather, they will strike Russia again twice before even bothering with the USA. Targets of opportunity.
" The officials said the main purpose of the trip was to explain to Russia how Israel can help. The Israeli team has returned to Israel and is awaiting word on whether Russia will accept the offer of greater cooperation, the officials said. At the same time, at least two senior Russian officers have arrived in Israel to examine a police anti-terrorism facility, said an Israeli official who spoke on condition of anonymity."
" "I think there is a growing realization in Russia that they have to become more prepared for future terror attacks and that it's a good idea to compare notes with us,'' he said. Israeli counter-terror techniques are among the world's most sophisticated, and its public, no-strings-attached offer of assistance could provide a wealth of information."
Or with this
If Russia is so dangerous and pro-islamic and anti-American, why are Sharon and Israel freely offering secrets, technology, and help to Russia? Clearly Israel is not stupid.
Kill all the Muslim terrorists, "Pooty Poot". We back you, Vlad.
Actually rebel is correct I think. Only 2/3 of the regions have governors and Moscow is not one of them.
I am unsure about St. Pete.
What? I thought Putin was only interested in being a good Christian? /sarcasm
In U.S., liberal media = Democrat controlled press
In Russia, liberal media = free press
I had previously noted and verified several dozen sources used in that piece and I am researching the rest now, hoping that we can pick up the continuum line and determine where and how the Axis of Evil (Bush gave us a short list, North Korea (Communist), Iran (Muhammadan-Communist) and Iraq (Communist-Muhammadan).
The piece is quality and must read. The proxys and their masters are in a position to wipe us out and they've always wanted to, why would they stop now?
It's clear as a sunny day for me now, praise God. I've been on these trails for years...we need to update the continuum in the context of the Axis of Evil (a strange blend of Communists and Muhammadans you say?) today.
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