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To: Mount Athos

You are allowed to have your opinion. But the sources check out, so what's the problem (I own all of the books cited). Do you have something against anti-Communists?


3 posted on 09/19/2004 1:33:43 PM PDT by GIJoel
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To: GIJoel; Admin Moderator

Note that the detractor above is a newbie troll. Typical post and run.

Clean up on aisle two, please.


5 posted on 09/19/2004 1:42:11 PM PDT by datura (Democrat=Communist=America's Enemy Within)
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To: GIJoel

The essence of the article is two fradulent and unsubstantiated statements:

1) Just as the PLO does not represent palestinian or Arab interests, the "Islamic fundamentalists" are not religious in nature. Rather, all these organizations have been created, supported, and directed by the Communists, operating on orders emanating from Moscow.

2) In short, the "Islamic fundamentalists" are not religious at all, but are Communist fronts adopting a Muslim mask.

The author provides evidence of marxist history and connections among certain islamic groups in Iran. That's nice, but then the author falsely implies that marxists cannot be muslims. This is a central claim of his article, and one which he provides no explanation or evidence for whatsoever. It's as absurd as saying that Christians can't also be Capitalists or Democrats. The ideologies do not displace each other. Just because a person accepts large portions of anti-capitalist thinking, does not mean they must also accept anti-religious aspects of certain brances of the doctrine.

The author ignores obvious evidence that debunks his claim -- that the leaders of many of these movements are Islamic scholars and imams, like yassin. That their soldiers are plainly motivated by islamic ideology, such as the notion that they will gain a special place in heaven for their actions. That they follow islamic practices.

The author spends a lot of time discussing conflict between the PLO and Islamic terrorist groups like Hamas. That's nice, but then the author falsely suggests this is evidence that Islamic terrorists aren't really religious at all. If you can follow the author's logic here, you probably can make sense of Kerry's Iraq positions too -- he is just as incoherent.

The Author says Islamic marxism began with the Russian Bolshevik party in 1916. Yeah, that must be why the Boshevik's massacred every religious leader they could? Did they shout Allahu Akbar when they butchered the Tsar's family, I don't think so. This is delusional talk. Islam had nothing to do with political thought or communist revolution in 1916 Russia.

How does Russia supporting the overthrow of US allied Iran, suggest Islamic terrorists are not really religious at all? How does Russia and China selling weapons to Iran suggest the Mullahs in power aren't islamic at all? Isn't it this all just evidence that the Cold War happened, and anti-USA alliances were made among disparate groups, something painfully obvious which everyone already knows? The author seriously expects the reader to believe that the entire Islamic theocracy in Iran is not Islamic at all, but instead purely communist? The author uses spurious logic to imply any of this is support for his ideas.

The Author says the PLO opened an office in Iran. That's nice, how does this support anything he says? The PLO has an office in nearly every nearby Islamic state. They are motivated to help each other because of Islam, and a shared desire to genocide jews out of Israel, not communism.

Yes, there are mixtures of islam and communism within some terror groups, and yes, some pure communist entities support violent islamic terrorist action that attacks and destabilizes the west. This is the way the world works -- groups with disparate ideologies and motivations form alliances where their interests coincide. Nutty conspiracy worldviews that require everyone to be hiding their true nature is not required to understand the world as it is.


13 posted on 09/19/2004 2:38:11 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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Here, here, what's all this?

The vitriol in this thread is so unnecessary. Aren't we all on the same side? Doesn't everyone here recognize the distinction between good and evil? Yes, we can argue - and I'm reading some very intelligent arguments. But all this ad hominem bitterness is alarming to me and undoubtedly satisfying to the swarms of moral relativists and nihilists that lurk and troll FR.


22 posted on 09/19/2004 3:20:39 PM PDT by HalleysFifth
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