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To: GIJoel

The essence of the article is two fradulent and unsubstantiated statements:

1) Just as the PLO does not represent palestinian or Arab interests, the "Islamic fundamentalists" are not religious in nature. Rather, all these organizations have been created, supported, and directed by the Communists, operating on orders emanating from Moscow.

2) In short, the "Islamic fundamentalists" are not religious at all, but are Communist fronts adopting a Muslim mask.

The author provides evidence of marxist history and connections among certain islamic groups in Iran. That's nice, but then the author falsely implies that marxists cannot be muslims. This is a central claim of his article, and one which he provides no explanation or evidence for whatsoever. It's as absurd as saying that Christians can't also be Capitalists or Democrats. The ideologies do not displace each other. Just because a person accepts large portions of anti-capitalist thinking, does not mean they must also accept anti-religious aspects of certain brances of the doctrine.

The author ignores obvious evidence that debunks his claim -- that the leaders of many of these movements are Islamic scholars and imams, like yassin. That their soldiers are plainly motivated by islamic ideology, such as the notion that they will gain a special place in heaven for their actions. That they follow islamic practices.

The author spends a lot of time discussing conflict between the PLO and Islamic terrorist groups like Hamas. That's nice, but then the author falsely suggests this is evidence that Islamic terrorists aren't really religious at all. If you can follow the author's logic here, you probably can make sense of Kerry's Iraq positions too -- he is just as incoherent.

The Author says Islamic marxism began with the Russian Bolshevik party in 1916. Yeah, that must be why the Boshevik's massacred every religious leader they could? Did they shout Allahu Akbar when they butchered the Tsar's family, I don't think so. This is delusional talk. Islam had nothing to do with political thought or communist revolution in 1916 Russia.

How does Russia supporting the overthrow of US allied Iran, suggest Islamic terrorists are not really religious at all? How does Russia and China selling weapons to Iran suggest the Mullahs in power aren't islamic at all? Isn't it this all just evidence that the Cold War happened, and anti-USA alliances were made among disparate groups, something painfully obvious which everyone already knows? The author seriously expects the reader to believe that the entire Islamic theocracy in Iran is not Islamic at all, but instead purely communist? The author uses spurious logic to imply any of this is support for his ideas.

The Author says the PLO opened an office in Iran. That's nice, how does this support anything he says? The PLO has an office in nearly every nearby Islamic state. They are motivated to help each other because of Islam, and a shared desire to genocide jews out of Israel, not communism.

Yes, there are mixtures of islam and communism within some terror groups, and yes, some pure communist entities support violent islamic terrorist action that attacks and destabilizes the west. This is the way the world works -- groups with disparate ideologies and motivations form alliances where their interests coincide. Nutty conspiracy worldviews that require everyone to be hiding their true nature is not required to understand the world as it is.


13 posted on 09/19/2004 2:38:11 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos

To repond to the personal attacks directed at me:

I consider myself a strong anti-communist.
I believe effective anti-communism requires sober, rational thinking. Not delusional, conspiratorial beliefs that every Islamic movement is instead purely communist, directed from Moscow.


14 posted on 09/19/2004 2:43:14 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos

Mount Athos,

See "We Are The Next Target" Post in this same "News/Activism" thread for more info. BTW, you can't be Marxist and "religious." They are mutually exclusive. However you can be a Marxist-Atheist and PRETEND to be religious (believe in God). That's what Liberation Theology was all about in Latin America and South Africa...people who masqueraded as Catholics, but who were really hardcore Marxist-Leninist revolutionaries. Same principle, different part of the world.


15 posted on 09/19/2004 2:43:40 PM PDT by GIJoel
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To: Mount Athos; dennisw; Destro; struwwelpeter
The Author says Islamic marxism began with the Russian Bolshevik party in 1916.

Good post. All evil began with the bolsheviks, and just did not exist before then, you see. Also Putin is bringing back the USSR and the second cold war is just around the corner - celebrate the old times. No need to move into this century if you can remain in the last. No need to look honestly at the facts, because paranoia and conspiracy is much more fun.

the true story is here

20 posted on 09/19/2004 3:16:31 PM PDT by MarMema
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