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'Where The Right Went Wrong' (Patrick J. Buchanan)- New York Times Book Review
NY Times ^ | September 12, 2004 | Michael Kazin

Posted on 09/18/2004 6:07:04 PM PDT by Former Military Chick

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To: AlbionGirl
t may have been part of the plan, but it wasn't sold that way.

That always cracks me up.

Pres. Bush : "... and furthermore an invasion of Iraq will allow our special forces and human intelligence easier access into, and out of, Syria and Iran without them knowing. Just don't tell anybody, it's a secret."

161 posted on 09/18/2004 9:02:04 PM PDT by Gumption
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To: af_vet_1981
Bob Dole is an American patriot. I respect Bob Dole and thank him for his service.

Can' have much respect for a guy who endorses Viagra.

162 posted on 09/18/2004 9:03:11 PM PDT by Grey Ghost II
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To: ValenB4
In order for an intellectual and political movement to remain strong, it must be open to the consideration of all things and must be willing to reassess previous beliefs. It is possible to do this while maintaining basic principles.

With all the vanities I have seen recently, I think perhaps you should consider making this paragraph into one.

163 posted on 09/18/2004 9:03:39 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: Gumption

Was this part of the sell before the invasion, and can you give me a link to what you've posted? Not calling your word into question, would just like to see what speech that came from prior to the invasion.


164 posted on 09/18/2004 9:04:16 PM PDT by AlbionGirl ('The faith that stands on authority is not Faith.')
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To: AlbionGirl

You're not series are you?


165 posted on 09/18/2004 9:05:22 PM PDT by Gumption
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To: Grey Ghost II
Ok the real reason comes out.

First of all, I'm not Jewish (in fact, I share Buchahan's religion), so it's not something personal. Secondly, I gave up on him long before I realized that the whispers around him had some validity to them.
166 posted on 09/18/2004 9:06:02 PM PDT by Freepdonia (Victory is Ours!)
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To: Grey Ghost II
Can' have much respect for a guy who endorses Viagra.

And here I thought it was the fact that he fought on our side in WWII that would be the sticking point.

167 posted on 09/18/2004 9:06:32 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: af_vet_1981

No. But I'm not hurling accusations at him. You are! Where are the links to his purported anti-semitic writings, where are the quotes. For someone so sure that he is an anti-semite, you should have those links, those quotes at the ready. Defend your position!


168 posted on 09/18/2004 9:07:27 PM PDT by AlbionGirl ('The faith that stands on authority is not Faith.')
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To: Valpal1
The non-existence of a forthcoming Buchanan apology on Demjanjuk implied that Buchanan believed that he had actually won on this issue.

You're unbvelievable! Demjanjuk was cleared by the Israeli Supreme Court. The court determined that there was insufficient evidence that Demjanjuk was Ivan the Terrible. Why would Buchanan apologize?

169 posted on 09/18/2004 9:07:42 PM PDT by Grey Ghost II
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To: af_vet_1981
The truth is, "respecting Adolph Hitler" is an untenable position.

Without claiming to guess your religious preferences, I just want to point out that by that logic one must consider, for example, Christianity to be an untenable religion. Jesus, after all, commands his faithful to (gasp!) love their enemies, and (quelle horreur!) pray for those who persecute them. But even assuming I hate someone's guts, it's entirely possible to respect them all the same.

I have not dug any holes. I have said nothing even remotely offensive to anyone who takes it at face value. YOU have created a controversy that never existed by completely ignoring anything that you didn't want to see. I suppose I could speculate on why you chose to do that, but I think it best not to pass judgment on anyone's motives. I am only accountable for my own heart. So let me say this: I do not apologize for what I said. Nor will I ever apologize for what I said.

170 posted on 09/18/2004 9:08:38 PM PDT by MegaSilver
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To: af_vet_1981
And here I thought it was the fact that he fought on our side in WWII that would be the sticking point.

I respect Bob Dole for that. But that doesn't give him a free pass. Just like John Kerry doesn't get a free pass.

171 posted on 09/18/2004 9:09:21 PM PDT by Grey Ghost II
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To: MegaSilver

Please don't pretend you are religious to me. It is so unseemly. Just leave it alone. You've done enough damage for one night.


172 posted on 09/18/2004 9:09:24 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: Gumption

I am serious. What speech is that from? I'd like to read it. I'm ready to admit I was wrong, but I would like to see the speech, and I would like to know that the speech was delivered prior to the invasion before doing that.


173 posted on 09/18/2004 9:09:51 PM PDT by AlbionGirl ('The faith that stands on authority is not Faith.')
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To: AlbionGirl

I know a cobra is venomous. I don't have to carry its poison and give it to you to prove it. Buchanan is a lost cause and has been for years. It's quite sad but we are fortunate he left the Republican Party. I wish all his fans would too.


174 posted on 09/18/2004 9:11:49 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: PaleoPal
You've got this all figured out.

I don't know what you are talking about?
175 posted on 09/18/2004 9:14:05 PM PDT by Delphinium
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To: MEG33

What I don't get is that this is seen as a Bush-bashing book when he says that a sKerry presidency would be too dangerous to risk. He might criticize the current GOP, wrongly in many areas as his isolationist foreign policy is inconsistent at best, but he knows the stakes of this particular ball game.


176 posted on 09/18/2004 9:14:58 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (The Convention convinced me. 4 MORE YEARS!!!!!!)
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To: AlbionGirl
I'm sorry. I'm laughing at you right now.

I was trying to point out the absurdity of telling the world our secret plans and telling everyone not to tell anybody. But you didn't understand the absurdity of doing such a thing, so it didn't work on you.

177 posted on 09/18/2004 9:17:48 PM PDT by Gumption
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To: Freepdonia
First of all, I'm not Jewish (in fact, I share Buchahan's religion),

Never meant to imply I knew your religion. I apologize if it came accross that way. What I referring to is how completely blind to the facts people become when the issue of anti-semitism comes up.

Look at the posts on this thread, people seem unable to get over this anti-semitism issue, but they really offer no proof of it. They come up with lame arguments like Buchanan thought John Demjanjuk was innocent and never offered an apology (even thought the Israeli Supreme Court let him off). Nobody ever mentions that Denjanjuk was a Soviet soldier who was captured by the Germans.

178 posted on 09/18/2004 9:18:57 PM PDT by Grey Ghost II
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To: MegaSilver

Jesus also kicked the moneylenders from the temple and told his followers to arm themselves. It is entirely possible to fight your enemy while praying that he/she will experience a true conversion and relationship with Christ that will lead them to the Lord's grace.

I do, however, agree that respect for Hitler is untenable. But for fairness, do you criticize Gov. Schwarzenegger for his comments on respecting Hitler?


179 posted on 09/18/2004 9:19:41 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (The Convention convinced me. 4 MORE YEARS!!!!!!)
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To: AlbionGirl
Defend your position!

They can't. They know that they can win by just screaming anti-semite.

180 posted on 09/18/2004 9:22:26 PM PDT by Grey Ghost II
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