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The Neverending Cyber Train Wreck Chugs onwards:

Can we adopt the phrase “Frisch happens?”

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Rumble Frisch

Posted by Dorkafork

Inside Higher Ed has a article on the brouhaha involving noted lunatic Deb Frisch. Very fair and balanced. Out of an approximately 700 word article, here is how Goldstein's side of the story is described:

Goldstein could not be reached for comment. But he posted details of Frisch’s comments and his reaction to them on his Web site.

About 3% of the story, but I guess it's quality, not quantity. Jeff has a response up at Protein Wisdom. I am taking the liberty of reproducing it below in case the link doesn't work due to the DoS attacks. (Before I do, I want to note two things. First, the Inside Higher Ed story states "...Frisch is known for going on conservative sites she abhors and engaging in debate." This is laughable if you are at all familiar with her comments. Besides the comments at the post that started it all, there are comments she's left at other sites that run the gamut from infantile through moronic all the way to bug-eyed screaming. The second thing I'd like to note is that I think that Gail Hapke's description of DoS attacks as "Denial of Speech" attacks is quite apt. The DoS attacks are shameful in their own right, though that aspect is overshadowed by Frisch's

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Frisch removes offensive image, continues commenting

Former UA psychology professor Deborah Frisch has updated her blog with a link here per my request. I figure the readers who see her response to me ought to be able to see my response back. Moreover, the post containing the image of "Count Cockula" is gone as I and others suggested, and Frisch continues to blog about the Goldstein affair, breaking her original promise not to comment on it for a month.

Perhaps "Walking in Memphis" might be an appropriate post if (and only if) she is truly sorry, but then she talks about forming a "discussion group" formed of those "fascinated by the workings of the mind of the count." Somehow, it seems Dr. Frisch still thinks she's blameless enough in all this to justify forming a discussion group of "moonbats" (Frisch's words) to figure out exactly why Jeff Goldstein isn't happy about how she has treated him and his family before and after the newsbreak. Clearly, the apology to Mr. Goldstein still isn't very sincere, and I am personally questioning the true sincerity of her apology to the university community as well.

Frisch responds to my criticism

Former UA psychology professor Deborah Frisch has responded to a critical comment I made on one of her posts.

Update 2: The Arizona Daily Star has picked up on the story. This story thankfully looks more objective than the Inside Higher Ed article, which received much criticism from the right, including from Goldstein himself (see previous posts).

INSIDE HIGHER ED has a story on the Frisch/Goldstein affair that seems to me to understate Frisch's conduct somewhat. Jeff Goldstein -- whose site still seems to be down -- has posted a response in the comments. It's a long way down, so I'm reproducing it here. Click "read more" to read it.

UPDATE: More background regarding threats on campus.

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Hi Jeff.

You allowed someone to post a picture of me at home. Given the many, many threats I have received from your fans, this is not acceptable.  I perceive it as a physical threat.

Please delete the link to the picture.

Thanks,

Deb

Oh, btw….here is a picture of Ms. Fitsch taken from the Arizona Daily Star:

 

More Lefty love & tolerance

Posted by Mike @ 1:08 pm • Monday, 10 July 2006 • Category: The Loony Left

A small handful of people, not at all representative of the so-called “mainstream”? As Allah says, it’d be nice to think so, but…I don’t. And neither does the Commissar.

--Any questions, people? For this depraved woman and others like her, politics justifies all — because for them, as I keep saying, politics IS all. It’s their religion, the source of their identity, the core of their self-image, and the practical basis for how they deal with the rest of the world.

Update! The origins of a pathology.

Updated update! In the usual inimitable AoSHQ fashion, Ace has…oh, just go read it yourself, already.

 The Straw? --I thought the storm would have abated by now, but it hasn’t.  Jeff’s site is still down with another attack, and people are still defending the original commenter with the wildly relevant and appropriate statements that “Michelle Malkin said…” and “Rush Limbaugh…”, etc., etc.

There is the old saying about the straw that broke the camel’s back.  As a kid I had often wondered how a simple straw could do that.  As an adult I can see the metaphor better.  There are events that happen that, small though they may be, let loose bigger events.  This may be one of those.  The Blogosphere came of age after the 2000 elections and more so after the 9/11 attacks. All this hullabaloo because someone didn’t like what the father of a two-year-old posted on his own site.  Unbeleivable.  A toddler turned out to be the proverbial straw.

359 posted on 07/11/2006 3:29:09 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
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http://www.stevejanke.com/archives/185660.php#more
Two liberals respond -- one smart and one useful idiot
Steve Janke at 01:22 PM
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Compare and contrast.

Oh, and one of the two respondents is Professor Deb Frisch herself.

What we ought to be hearing from bona fide liberals:

I'm late coming to the story of the psychology professor and Jeff Goldstein of Protein Wisdom, but here's my view: What Deborah Frisch wrote is inexcusable behavior for a blogger of any kind, liberal or conservative. Her comments about Jeff Goldstein's son and wife are indeed unhinged. I cannot imagine any provocation that could justify them.

If you don't like Jeff's writings, don't read them. Or read them and disagree with his arguments.

I have never heard of Deborah Fisch before today, or her blog. Whether she is a liberal blogger or not, she is not a member of any group I am aware of or want to be associated with. She speaks for herself and very poorly.

Talkleft is as liberal as they get. The Iraq war is illegal, Camp X should be taken down, Karl Rove is a danger to democracy, and so on and so forth.

Fair enough.

But to disagree with criminal defense attorney Jeralyn Merritt is not to invite death threats against your family. Even though he's a lawyer with strong views on freedom of speech (he supports the decision of the New York Times to reveal details of the Operation Swift anti-terrorist program, for example), he has no problem characterizing Deb Frisch as "unhinged" and her comments "inexcusable".

Got that? No excuses. No mealy mouthed references to what someone else might have said to justify Frisch's comments, or at least to distract criticism. No flaccid attempts to minimize the gravity of what she had done by measuring it against the perceived short attention span of her critics.

And he points out that her behaviour is wrong for both liberals and conservatives. Merritt believes, quite rightly, that there are things that are universally wrong. Frisch should not get a free pass because she took aim at a "paste eating" right winger.

Merritt has his head screwed on right. It might be filled with some silly ideas, but at least I know that in his world, the sky is blue, children are precious, and people who are wrong need to be confronted.

There are other liberals, however, who aren't as centred as Merritt. One example is Deb Frisch herself, who quite shockingly, has posted to my blog. I'll never stop being amazed at who reads my stuff:

What I said was: I wouldn't care if someone Ramseyed your kid.

Is that really the most tasteless, vulgar, rude, nasty joke ever to be posted in the bowels (i.e., comments section) of the blogosphere?

Probably not. But then I haven't ventured through the archives of your friend Robert McClelland's blog, so who knows what vile little nuggets are tucked away in there.

What you said is that the murder of the child of someone you disagreed with would not bother you:

Ooh. Two year old boy. Sounds hot. You live in Colorado, I see. Hope no one Jon-Benets your baby.

Maybe it isn't the most tasteless, vulgar, rude, nasty joke ever posted, but then this isn't a contest. You don't win a reprieve because you came in second in a race to spew bile. To give you the benefit of the doubt, though, I don't know what circles you run in. Perhaps the people you used to hang out with in the University of Arizona staff lounge routinely exchanged jokes like this one. Or maybe your friends and members of your family would think that was a particularly clever jest.

If not, though, you should consider the embarrassing effect your words have had on your former co-workers and on your family and friends. Clearly you still don't care about the effect it has had on Jeff Goldstein, or on people who happen to count themselves as Goldstein's political allies, since in your comment to me, you didn't actually apologize to him or to them.

My advice? Don't take solace in what support you are getting from the likes of Robert McClelland. You've become their useful idiot, goaded into taking this untenable stand instead of doing the right thing and offering an unreserved apology. Don't let yourself be a shield behind which they hide. Take back what you said, and force them to either retreat or stand on their own hind legs and claim you were right to say what you said, your apology notwithstanding.

That's my advice, for what it's worth. Good luck, Professor Frisch. I really hope you find your back from whatever dark place you find yourself right now.

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Stay away from my kids, McClelland [Update]
Steve Janke at 04:26 PM
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Frisch was hoping that the two-year-old son of a conservative blogger would be murdered or sexually abused, posting her comments at Protein Wisdom under the handle "Southwestpaw".
All the creepy details are at Michelle Malkin. Comments (44) :
 

360 posted on 07/11/2006 12:46:47 PM PDT by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
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