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A Voter's Guide: Pro-choice candidates and church teaching
Wall Street Journal ^ | Friday, September 17, 2004 12:01 a.m. EDT | Archbishop John J. Myers

Posted on 09/17/2004 9:47:44 AM PDT by ELS

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To: Coleus; father_elijah; nickcarraway; SMEDLEYBUTLER; Siobhan; Lady In Blue; attagirl; ...
Catholic Action Ping!

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21 posted on 09/22/2004 7:26:11 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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Tkae part in the Life Chain in your locality. We need to get this out into the lamestream media.

Ours is Oct. 3rd and I am signed up for it. Will take my chair -- LOL! We are only one block from Planned Parenthood so I am going to try to talk everyone in our block to walk down there and say a Rosary. Should drive PP nutty! (Even on a Sunday!)


22 posted on 09/22/2004 7:50:20 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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Great!, print up some of your planned parenthood posts you made where it showed that prayer helped closed down the clinics like those students did in CA.


23 posted on 09/22/2004 7:53:17 PM PDT by Coleus (www.catholicTeamLeader.com)
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To: Salvation
Faith is not believing that God can. It is knowing that God will
THANKS FOR     THE PING!
A child is a gift, not a choice

24 posted on 09/22/2004 7:54:37 PM PDT by Smartass (BUSH & CHENEY 2004 Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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Faith in Jesus Christ, who is «the way, the truth, and the life»(Jn 14:6), calls Christians to exert a greater effort in building a culture which, inspired by the Gospel, will reclaim the values and contents of the Catholic Tradition. 
The Participation of Catholics in Political Life

In the Catholic tradition, responsible citizenship is a virtue; participation in the political process is a moral obligation.


Faithful Citizenship: A Catholic Call to Political Responsibility

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25 posted on 09/23/2004 3:27:03 AM PDT by NYer (When you have done something good, remember the words "without Me you can do nothing." (John 15:5).)
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To: Askel5
What's your thought on the Church's pragmatic approach to Non-Negotiables?

The points you make in your other post are incongruent with the responsibility we have as Catholics to teach and spread the faith.

Ratzinger offered a clear direction that was co-opted by liberals, and yet you seem to blame him for the misquote. Homosexuals misquote Christ all the time, to justify their goals, and you don't blame Christ!

I think the explanation of proximate reason is correct. If I had two candidates supporting the Death Penalty the reasoning would be similar, if I have two baby-killers for the same office I could pick one, but it wasn't mentioned, I could also pick neither.

What I should not do is hide my head in the sand, wring my hands and whine that the Church is not making a good response. If they don't, we are the faithful, and we should. It is our job as Catholics and as Christians to speak for the helpless, and stand up to defend them. No Bishop, no Prelate, nor would any Priest stop us from going out and supporting the candidate more in line with Church teaching.

It is clear from Archbishop Myers that he thinks there is no proximate reason to support Kerry over Bush. I think that he would not say those supporting Kerry are not Catholic, but, I know first-hand that some catholic (little c) Kerry supporters have been approached in my area (one in the Church parking lot) and asked the question, "what the hell are you doing?!?" I agree with some of my pro-life bretheren, Bush is not perfectly Pro-life either, however, he is a lot closer to a moral position than Kerry any day of the week.

Back to the Archbishops article. It shows what needs to be shown. Clearly it explodes the misuse of the comments by Cardinal Ratzinger to morally justify voting for Kerry because of proximate reason. There is no justification by the Church for Kerry, and Archbishop Myers clearly shows it. Paradoxically, in our free society we discourage a Church from endorsing a candidate, and although no Church has ever been prosecuted understandably the Archbishop doesn't endorse Bush publicly.

We live in a free society. Catholics are still "free" to vote, but only at their own peril. Under those conditions they are also free to visit prostitutes, attend satanic rituals, and gay bars, but if they do, they are going to at the peril of their own souls. We can't handcuff a Catholic for being immoral, but we can make it abundantly clear that these behaviors are all in the same category.
26 posted on 09/23/2004 6:20:46 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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Made it through the hurricane.

For the information, including that contained on the minicd mentioned below, send me a snail mail (land mail) address and I will send you a CD that you can use for further distribution, contacting individuals, etc. If Felos is saying Oct. 3rd as the soonest possible time to pull Terri's feeding tube then we don't have much time.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1226162/posts?page=227#227


27 posted on 09/27/2004 3:05:46 PM PDT by pc93
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28 posted on 05/01/2005 6:10:27 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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What are "proportionate reasons"? To consider that question, we must first repeat the teaching of the church: The direct killing of innocent human beings at any stage of development, including the embryonic and fetal, is homicidal, gravely sinful and always profoundly wrong. Then we must consider the scope of the evil of abortion today in our country. America suffers 1.3 million abortions each year--a tragedy of epic proportions. Moreover, many supporters of abortion propose making the situation even worse by creating a publicly funded industry in which tens of thousands of human lives are produced each year for the purpose of being "sacrificed" in biomedical research.

Thus for a Catholic citizen to vote for a candidate who supports abortion and embryo-destructive research, one of the following circumstances would have to obtain: either (a) both candidates would have to be in favor of embryo killing on roughly an equal scale or (b) the candidate with the superior position on abortion and embryo-destructive research would have to be a supporter of objective evils of a gravity and magnitude beyond that of 1.3 million yearly abortions plus the killing that would take place if public funds were made available for embryo-destructive research.

Frankly, it is hard to imagine circumstance (b) in a society such as ours. No candidate advocating the removal of legal protection against killing for any vulnerable group of innocent people other than unborn children would have a chance of winning a major office in our country. Even those who support the death penalty for first-degree murderers are not advocating policies that result in more than a million killings annually.

As Mother Teresa reminded us on all of her visits to the U.S., abortion tears at our national soul. It is a betrayal of our nation's founding principle that recognizes all human beings as "created equal" and "endowed with unalienable rights." What evil could be so grave and widespread as to constitute a "proportionate reason" to support candidates who would preserve and protect the abortion license and even extend it to publicly funded embryo-killing in our nation's labs?

Certainly policies on welfare, national security, the war in Iraq, Social Security or taxes, taken singly or in any combination, do not provide a proportionate reason to vote for a pro-abortion candidate.

Consider, for example, the war in Iraq. Although Pope John Paul II pleaded for an alternative to the use of military force to meet the threat posed by Saddam Hussein, he did not bind the conscience of Catholics to agree with his judgment on the matter, nor did he say that it would be morally wrong for Catholic soldiers to participate in the war.

In line with the teaching of the catechism on "just war," he recognized that a final judgment of prudence as to the necessity of military force rests with statesmen, not with ecclesiastical leaders. Catholics may, in good conscience, support the use of force in Iraq or oppose it.

Abortion and embryo-destructive research are different. They are intrinsic and grave evils; no Catholic may legitimately support them.

In the context of contemporary American social life, abortion and embryo-destructive research are disproportionate evils. They are the gravest human rights abuses of our domestic politics and what slavery was to the time of Lincoln. Catholics are called by the Gospel of Life to protect the victims of these human rights abuses. They may not legitimately abandon the victims by supporting those who would further their victimization.

Archbishop Myers heads the archdiocese of Newark.


29 posted on 12/20/2005 2:07:12 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To consider that question, we must first repeat the teaching of the church: The direct killing of innocent human beings at any stage of development, including the embryonic and fetal, is homicidal, gravely sinful and always profoundly wrong. Then we must consider the scope of the evil of abortion today in our country. America suffers 1.3 million abortions each year—a tragedy of epic proportions. Moreover, many supporters of abortion propose making the situation even worse by creating a publicly funded industry in which tens of thousands of human lives are produced each year for the purpose of being “sacrificed” in biomedical research.

Thus for a Catholic citizen to vote for a candidate who supports abortion and embryo-destructive research, one of the following circumstances would have to obtain: either (a) both candidates would have to be in favor of embryo killing on roughly an equal scale or (b) the candidate with the superior position on abortion and embryo-destructive research would have to be a supporter of objective evils of a gravity and magnitude beyond that of 1.3 million yearly abortions plus the killing that would take place if public funds were made available for embryo-destructive research.

Frankly, it is hard to imagine circumstance (b) in a society such as ours. No candidate advocating the removal of legal protection against killing for any vulnerable group of innocent people other than unborn children would have a chance of winning a major office in our country. Even those who support the death penalty for first-degree murderers are not advocating policies that result in more than a million killings annually.

As Mother Teresa reminded us on all of her visits to the U.S., abortion tears at our national soul. It is a betrayal of our nation’s founding principle that recognizes all human beings as “created equal” and “endowed with unalienable rights.” What evil could be so grave and widespread as to constitute a “proportionate reason” to support candidates who would preserve and protect the abortion license and even extend it to publicly funded embryo-killing in our nation’s labs?

Certainly policies on welfare, national security, the war in Iraq, Social Security or taxes, taken singly or in any combination, do not provide a proportionate reason to vote for a pro-abortion candidate.

Consider, for example, the war in Iraq. Although Pope John Paul II pleaded for an alternative to the use of military force to meet the threat posed by Saddam Hussein, he did not bind the conscience of Catholics to agree with his judgment on the matter, nor did he say that it would be morally wrong for Catholic soldiers to participate in the war. In line with the teaching of the catechism on “just war,” he recognized that a final judgment of prudence as to the necessity of military force rests with statesmen, not with ecclesiastical leaders. Catholics may, in good conscience, support the use of force in Iraq or oppose it.
Abortion and embryo-destructive research are different.

They are intrinsic and grave evils; no Catholic may legitimately support them. In the context of contemporary American social life, abortion and embryo-destructive research are disproportionate evils. They are the gravest human rights abuses of our domestic politics and what slavery was to the time of Lincoln. Catholics are called by the Gospel of Life to protect the victims of these human rights abuses. They may not legitimately abandon the victims by supporting those who would further their victimization.

Archbishop Myers heads the archdiocese of Newark.


30 posted on 06/14/2008 11:19:58 AM PDT by Coleus (Abortion and Physician-assisted Murder (aka-Euthanasia), Don't Democrats just kill ya?)
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A Voter's Guide: Pro-choice candidates and church teaching.

BY ARCHBISHOP JOHN J. MYERS

Archbishop of the Archdiocese of Newark.

Friday, September 17, 2004

Amid today's political jostling, Catholic citizens are wondering whether they can, in conscience, vote for candidates who support the legalized killing of human beings in the embryonic and fetal stages of development by abortion or in biomedical research.

Responding to requests to clarify the obligations of Catholics on this matter, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in Rome, under its prefect, Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, released a statement called "On Worthiness to Receive Holy Communion." Although it dealt primarily with the obligations of bishops to deny communion to Catholic politicians in certain circumstances, it included a short note at the end addressing whether Catholics could, in good conscience, vote for candidates who supported the taking of nascent human life in the womb or lab.

Cardinal Ratzinger stated that a "Catholic would be guilty of formal cooperation in evil, and so unworthy to present himself for Holy Communion, if he were to deliberately vote for a candidate precisely because of a candidate's permissive stand on abortion." But the question of the moment is whether a Catholic may vote for a pro-abortion candidate for other reasons. The cardinal's next sentence answered that question: A Catholic may vote for a pro-abortion Catholic politician only "in the presence of proportionate reasons."

What are "proportionate reasons"? To consider that question, we must first repeat the teaching of the church: The direct killing of innocent human beings at any stage of development, including the embryonic and fetal, is homicidal, gravely sinful and always profoundly wrong. Then we must consider the scope of the evil of abortion today in our country. America suffers 1.3 million abortions each year--a tragedy of epic proportions. Moreover, many supporters of abortion propose making the situation even worse by creating a publicly funded industry in which tens of thousands of human lives are produced each year for the purpose of being "sacrificed" in biomedical research.

Thus for a Catholic citizen to vote for a candidate who supports abortion and embryo-destructive research, one of the following circumstances would have to obtain: either (a) both candidates would have to be in favor of embryo killing on roughly an equal scale or (b) the candidate with the superior position on abortion and embryo-destructive research would have to be a supporter of objective evils of a gravity and magnitude beyond that of 1.3 million yearly abortions plus the killing that would take place if public funds were made available for embryo-destructive research.

Frankly, it is hard to imagine circumstance (b) in a society such as ours. No candidate advocating the removal of legal protection against killing for any vulnerable group of innocent people other than unborn children would have a chance of winning a major office in our country. Even those who support the death penalty for first-degree murderers are not advocating policies that result in more than a million killings annually.

As Mother Teresa reminded us on all of her visits to the U.S., abortion tears at our national soul. It is a betrayal of our nation's founding principle that recognizes all human beings as "created equal" and "endowed with unalienable rights." What evil could be so grave and widespread as to constitute a "proportionate reason" to support candidates who would preserve and protect the abortion license and even extend it to publicly funded embryo-killing in our nation's labs?

Certainly policies on welfare, national security, the war in Iraq, Social Security or taxes, taken singly or in any combination, do not provide a proportionate reason to vote for a pro-abortion candidate.

Consider, for example, the war in Iraq. Although Pope John Paul II pleaded for an alternative to the use of military force to meet the threat posed by Saddam Hussein, he did not bind the conscience of Catholics to agree with his judgment on the matter, nor did he say that it would be morally wrong for Catholic soldiers to participate in the war. In line with the teaching of the catechism on "just war," he recognized that a final judgment of prudence as to the necessity of military force rests with statesmen, not with ecclesiastical leaders. Catholics may, in good conscience, support the use of force in Iraq or oppose it.

Abortion and embryo-destructive research are different. They are intrinsic and grave evils; no Catholic may legitimately support them. In the context of contemporary American social life, abortion and embryo-destructive research are disproportionate evils. They are the gravest human rights abuses of our domestic politics and what slavery was to the time of Lincoln. Catholics are called by the Gospel of Life to protect the victims of these human rights abuses. They may not legitimately abandon the victims by supporting those who would further their victimization.

31 posted on 02/11/2011 10:16:20 PM PST by Coleus (Adult Stem Cells Work, there is NO Need to Harvest Babies for Their Body Parts!)
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FYI reminder ping, a good article to share with Catholics, especially for those who vote for pro-abortion candidates and politicians.


32 posted on 06/13/2012 7:10:42 PM PDT by Coleus
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Let’s write a letter to the editor to our Catholic newspapers reminding Catholics that they should not put party affiliation, charisma or personal issues ahead of morality when they vote.


33 posted on 06/13/2012 8:25:18 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: ELS
A Voter's Guide:  Pro-choice candidates and church teaching.

BY ARCHBISHOP JOHN J. MYERS

Archbishop of the Archdiocese of Newark.

Friday, September 17, 2004

NJ archbishop sets strict rules barring Catholics from the sacraments

34 posted on 10/13/2015 8:29:06 PM PDT by Coleus (For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.)
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35 posted on 10/15/2020 6:54:23 PM PDT by Coleus
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