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September showdown in the Bronx : Red Sox vs. Yankees (Live Thread)
NY Daily News ^ | September 17, 2004 | Mike Lupica

Posted on 09/17/2004 8:27:59 AM PDT by presidio9

This is the kind of September we are supposed to have with the Yankees and the Red Sox. This is the way it is supposed to be, a series like this at the Stadium this weekend, then another one next weekend at Fenway Park. It wasn't supposed to be as easy as the Red Sox made it look in April. It wasn't supposed to be the kind of knockout punch the Yankees threw at Boston at the end of June, that three-game series when Derek Jeter, in addition to everything else, seemed to have taught himself how to fly.

It wasn't supposed to be the Yankees ahead by 10-1/2 games in August, as giddy as that made everybody around here feel, when the Red Sox were declared dead, and gone, again.

This, tonight at the Stadium, is the way it is supposed to be:

El Duque Hernandez with the ball in the top of the first tonight, trying to kick his leg to the upper deck and duck his head behind his shoulder and throw one of those breaking balls that starts out by Ruppert Place past Johnny Damon of the Red Sox.

Maybe last year isn't as good as the Yankees vs. the Red Sox could ever be. Because after everything that has happened between Game 7 last October and now, the sides are still even.

"A showdown in the Bronx," is the way Damon described this series the other night.

It is all of that.

It is not the kind of all-in, knockout baseball it used to be in the old days, the way it was in September of 1978, when it was the Yankees trying to come from way back in the pack. Barring a total collapse by the Red Sox - and it is hard to see them collapsing after the kind of good, clean hardball they have played lately - you can almost book both teams making the playoffs.

So no matter which of these two teams wins the American League East, it looks as if we will be right where we were a year ago after the regular season, hoping to get both of them through the first round, and into another series with a trip to the World Series on the line. Where it will be all-in, knockout baseball. Where everything could come down to one swing of the bat, the way it did with Aaron Boone, on the night when he finally ended the greatest Yankee-Red Sox season of them all.

But you have to know this: The Yankees don't want to blow the biggest regular-season lead they have ever blown. The Yankees do not want the Red Sox to come back from 10-1/2 behind on the 15th of August to win the AL East, whether they know they've got the safety net of the wild card or not. Because in their minds, they would be carried into October on a stretcher.

For now, we get these six games, starting with the ball in El Duque's hand tonight. Where would the Yankees be without him? Second place, is where. The big fat lead would be gone already. Alex Rodriguez was supposed to be the difference between the Yankees and the Red Sox this season. We've got him, Yankee fans crowed. They don't. That was the first time the season was declared over, back in February, when it was announced that the Yankees had made a deal with the Rangers for A-Rod.

Only he has not been the difference. Somehow, even as he has hung up fairly gaudy numbers, even with the richest contract in the history of sports, A-Rod has just been one of the stars on the Yankees this season. Just not the biggest. The Yankees are still ahead because Gary Sheffield has been the kind of batting star A-Rod was supposed to be. And because El Duque, with all his spin and mystery intact at whatever age he really is, remains one of the great big-game Yankee pitchers of them all.

Now he gets the biggest game he has had in a while, at least until he gets to the playoffs.

"[The Red Sox] are still trying to catch us," Derek Jeter said.

Only for about 900 years.

But for now, the two teams are as close as they could be. In the last two seasons, counting the 2003 postseason, the Yankees and Red Sox have played 39 games. Thirty-nine. The Red Sox have won 20 and the Yankees have won 19. All those games, and really only one swing from Boone separating them.

The Red Sox don't go away. They made their run and now the Yankees have won eight of their last 10. There is a great wild-card race in the National League East. But this is something different. This is the Yankees against the Red Sox. The season started with all those games between them in April. Now here we are again, 11 months, exactly, from Aaron Boone.

Curt Schilling is with the Red Sox now, Roger Clemens and Andy Pettitte are gone from the Yankees. Nomar Garciaparra is gone from the Red Sox. The Red Sox tried to cut Manny Ramirez of Washington Heights to get A-Rod and now Ramirez might be MVP. The Yankees got A-Rod. We get the September we wanted. It is the September we always want. Somehow, the sides are still even.


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To: NYC GOP Chick

Bad, bad girl.


461 posted on 09/17/2004 9:04:25 PM PDT by lavrenti (Think of who is pithy, yet so attractive to women.)
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To: jwalsh07

I don't know - is it even Basketball season? (I don't watch)


462 posted on 09/17/2004 9:04:35 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (John Kerry is still facing pajama-clad warriors, and receiving self-inflicted wounds...)
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To: NYCVirago; Chad Fairbanks

Both are wrong. It's the curse of David Cone. Until NYC stops being so busy-busy hustle-bustle, they won't win the WS...


463 posted on 09/17/2004 9:04:54 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: lavrenti

As if you could do something about that!


464 posted on 09/17/2004 9:05:03 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick
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To: F16Fighter
I know Mo is a legend, and pitching your closer in the 9th is "by the book." But I've always been of the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" school. Gordon was a known quantity tonight, and had thrown only an inning and a third.
465 posted on 09/17/2004 9:05:40 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: presidio9

SOX WIN!
SOX WIN!
SOX WIN!

YANKESS SUCK!
YANKESS SUCK!
YAHKEES SUCK!

TWO GAMES! (IN THE LOSS COLUMN)
TWO GAMES! (IN THE LOSS COLUMN)
TWO GAMES! (IN THE LOSS COLUMN)


466 posted on 09/17/2004 9:05:52 PM PDT by ElTianti
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To: GraniteStateConservative

LOL


467 posted on 09/17/2004 9:06:11 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (John Kerry is still facing pajama-clad warriors, and receiving self-inflicted wounds...)
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To: F16Fighter
What's disappointing is treating Bronson Arroyo like he's Randy Johnson.

Bronson has been ON this year .....

Forget fifth starter, he's been a strong #3.

9-9, 4.01, 130K, 44BB, 13th in AL in ERA

468 posted on 09/17/2004 9:07:55 PM PDT by JohnnyZ ("The common man doesn't look at me as some rich witch." --Teresa Heinz Kerry)
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To: NYC GOP Chick

Or I could do nothing. ;)

The wind is kicking up. Nice breeze.


469 posted on 09/17/2004 9:09:53 PM PDT by lavrenti (Think of who is pithy, yet so attractive to women.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
A great game. I love pitching duels. WOTS sure played well enough to win and so did Arroyo and neither got the W. We out-Yankeed the Yankees (and that's a straight-up compliment).

Very nice. Thanks!

470 posted on 09/17/2004 9:10:28 PM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: lavrenti

Indeed!


471 posted on 09/17/2004 9:11:25 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick
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To: NYC GOP Chick

Yep!


472 posted on 09/17/2004 9:13:03 PM PDT by lavrenti (Think of who is pithy, yet so attractive to women.)
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To: JohnnyZ

He is very special.


473 posted on 09/17/2004 9:13:13 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: lavrenti

You just can't handle me!


474 posted on 09/17/2004 9:14:00 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick
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To: F16Fighter

If Sunday isn't rained out, I'd gladly take a double-header with the division potentially on the line if the games are as good as this one.

Provided that the Red Sox win of course. ;-)


475 posted on 09/17/2004 10:33:25 PM PDT by baseballfanjm
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To: nutmeg

Pretty sure I read that A-Rod is, and there was a recent article (posted here on FR, too) about baseball owners who gave money to Bush. There are Kerry supporters, though,
like Red Sox co-owner Tom Werner (main squeeze is
Katie Couric)

As a matter of fact:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1215130/posts

>>"The Bush campaign has also received direct contributions from owners...Those include $2,000 contributions from owners George Steinbrenner of the New York Yankees...(later):
"The Democratic nominee has also received $2,000 contributions from Boston Red Sox chairman Tom Werner"


476 posted on 09/18/2004 12:49:03 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: JoeA
"... and the better record right now is.... Oh yeah, the team with the lousy pitching...."

That's right!
The Yankee's "closer"has been anything but that against the Sox for the last two yrs.
Let the games begin, George has got to be steamed after spending a hundred and seventy or eighty million for a team that sucks!
The Yankees hay day is over for now they will be irrelevant in the post season like Nader. They just haven't figured it out yet.

477 posted on 09/18/2004 5:53:13 AM PDT by #1CTYankee (I've been freeping for 14 % of my life?)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

Okee Dokee. Red Sox are good, no doubt about it.


478 posted on 09/18/2004 6:09:28 AM PDT by b4its2late (John John Kerry Edwards change positions more often than a Nevada prostitute!!!)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

Thanks...I thought the game last night was a good one.


479 posted on 09/18/2004 8:34:10 AM PDT by Cathryn Crawford (¿Podemos ahora sonreír?)
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To: nutmeg
I didnt even think to see if there was a live thread. I will be looking today. TWO AND A HALF BACK BABY!!!
480 posted on 09/18/2004 8:53:28 AM PDT by TheRedSoxWinThePennant (hey N.Y. here come the sox)
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