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September showdown in the Bronx : Red Sox vs. Yankees (Live Thread)
NY Daily News ^ | September 17, 2004 | Mike Lupica

Posted on 09/17/2004 8:27:59 AM PDT by presidio9

This is the kind of September we are supposed to have with the Yankees and the Red Sox. This is the way it is supposed to be, a series like this at the Stadium this weekend, then another one next weekend at Fenway Park. It wasn't supposed to be as easy as the Red Sox made it look in April. It wasn't supposed to be the kind of knockout punch the Yankees threw at Boston at the end of June, that three-game series when Derek Jeter, in addition to everything else, seemed to have taught himself how to fly.

It wasn't supposed to be the Yankees ahead by 10-1/2 games in August, as giddy as that made everybody around here feel, when the Red Sox were declared dead, and gone, again.

This, tonight at the Stadium, is the way it is supposed to be:

El Duque Hernandez with the ball in the top of the first tonight, trying to kick his leg to the upper deck and duck his head behind his shoulder and throw one of those breaking balls that starts out by Ruppert Place past Johnny Damon of the Red Sox.

Maybe last year isn't as good as the Yankees vs. the Red Sox could ever be. Because after everything that has happened between Game 7 last October and now, the sides are still even.

"A showdown in the Bronx," is the way Damon described this series the other night.

It is all of that.

It is not the kind of all-in, knockout baseball it used to be in the old days, the way it was in September of 1978, when it was the Yankees trying to come from way back in the pack. Barring a total collapse by the Red Sox - and it is hard to see them collapsing after the kind of good, clean hardball they have played lately - you can almost book both teams making the playoffs.

So no matter which of these two teams wins the American League East, it looks as if we will be right where we were a year ago after the regular season, hoping to get both of them through the first round, and into another series with a trip to the World Series on the line. Where it will be all-in, knockout baseball. Where everything could come down to one swing of the bat, the way it did with Aaron Boone, on the night when he finally ended the greatest Yankee-Red Sox season of them all.

But you have to know this: The Yankees don't want to blow the biggest regular-season lead they have ever blown. The Yankees do not want the Red Sox to come back from 10-1/2 behind on the 15th of August to win the AL East, whether they know they've got the safety net of the wild card or not. Because in their minds, they would be carried into October on a stretcher.

For now, we get these six games, starting with the ball in El Duque's hand tonight. Where would the Yankees be without him? Second place, is where. The big fat lead would be gone already. Alex Rodriguez was supposed to be the difference between the Yankees and the Red Sox this season. We've got him, Yankee fans crowed. They don't. That was the first time the season was declared over, back in February, when it was announced that the Yankees had made a deal with the Rangers for A-Rod.

Only he has not been the difference. Somehow, even as he has hung up fairly gaudy numbers, even with the richest contract in the history of sports, A-Rod has just been one of the stars on the Yankees this season. Just not the biggest. The Yankees are still ahead because Gary Sheffield has been the kind of batting star A-Rod was supposed to be. And because El Duque, with all his spin and mystery intact at whatever age he really is, remains one of the great big-game Yankee pitchers of them all.

Now he gets the biggest game he has had in a while, at least until he gets to the playoffs.

"[The Red Sox] are still trying to catch us," Derek Jeter said.

Only for about 900 years.

But for now, the two teams are as close as they could be. In the last two seasons, counting the 2003 postseason, the Yankees and Red Sox have played 39 games. Thirty-nine. The Red Sox have won 20 and the Yankees have won 19. All those games, and really only one swing from Boone separating them.

The Red Sox don't go away. They made their run and now the Yankees have won eight of their last 10. There is a great wild-card race in the National League East. But this is something different. This is the Yankees against the Red Sox. The season started with all those games between them in April. Now here we are again, 11 months, exactly, from Aaron Boone.

Curt Schilling is with the Red Sox now, Roger Clemens and Andy Pettitte are gone from the Yankees. Nomar Garciaparra is gone from the Red Sox. The Red Sox tried to cut Manny Ramirez of Washington Heights to get A-Rod and now Ramirez might be MVP. The Yankees got A-Rod. We get the September we wanted. It is the September we always want. Somehow, the sides are still even.


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To: nutmeg
Is that true? A-Rod and Steinbrenner are Bush supporters?

It's true, it's true! A-Rod and the Boss have both given $2000 each to W's campaign.

101 posted on 09/17/2004 11:05:43 AM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: Chad Fairbanks

It's very simple Chad: A fight can't begin until some idiot throws a punch.


102 posted on 09/17/2004 11:07:16 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: StarFan
Praying the rain holds off until after the game, but it doesn't look good.

It looks like the storm is trying to stay to the north & west of NYC

Radar

103 posted on 09/17/2004 11:15:50 AM PDT by Living Free in NH (Where am I and why am I in this handbasket?)
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To: presidio9

I agree with that. However, I am also a firm believer in fighting words. If someone, in an argument, says "Let's go" or something similar, it means that no reply is necessary except a punch... I'm old-fashioned that way.

(However, in teh interests of accuracy, I didn't see a puch. I saw they guy use his glove to push A-Rod away. he just happened to push his face.)


104 posted on 09/17/2004 11:17:11 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (John Kerry is still facing pajama-clad warriors, and receiving self-inflicted wounds...)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

In the old days men took off their helmets and face masks before fighting.


105 posted on 09/17/2004 11:21:39 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: 1Old Pro; AmericanMade1776; andy58-in-nh; b4its2late; Bambino; Burkeman1; Cathryn Crawford; ...

Is this the live thread for the weekend? We can get the Admin Mod to change the title.


106 posted on 09/17/2004 11:29:02 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Living Free in NH

"Praying the rain holds off until after the game, but it doesn't look good."

Our weathermen are pretty awful, and often get it wrong.

I know a bunch of people with tix for tonight, but I'm not one.

Oh well, time to call my N.H., Sox lovin cousin and start the next round.


107 posted on 09/17/2004 11:29:19 AM PDT by clyde260 (Public Enemy #1: Network News!)
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To: Living Free in NH

Agreed but the forecast shows heavy rain from 6:00 p.m. until tomorrow afternoon. Fingers crossed that they're wrong again.


108 posted on 09/17/2004 11:30:21 AM PDT by StarFan
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To: GraniteStateConservative

Someone will probably start a live thread for the game, but I'm probably going, so it won't be me.


109 posted on 09/17/2004 11:30:36 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

Someone will probably start a live thread for the game, but I'm probably going, so it won't be me.


110 posted on 09/17/2004 11:30:36 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: presidio9

Yeah, and in the old days men stood up in lines and shot at each otehr a volley at a time, too, and whoever had the most men standing at the end was the winner. Stupid.

I'm glad we learned that lesson before the Revolution ;0)


111 posted on 09/17/2004 11:30:36 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (John Kerry is still facing pajama-clad warriors, and receiving self-inflicted wounds...)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

By your logic, Rodriguez should have held on to the bat.


112 posted on 09/17/2004 11:33:34 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: presidio9
BTW, Hillary is on record saying that she is a Cubs fan.

Ah...just another reason not to like that woman.

113 posted on 09/17/2004 11:34:50 AM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" - Hillary Clinton)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
Is this the live thread for the weekend?

Not a bad idea. Instead of one thread for each game. Either way, not sure I'll be able to stop in -- need family time!

114 posted on 09/17/2004 11:35:03 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: presidio9

Well, now that you mention it... ;0)


115 posted on 09/17/2004 11:36:01 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (John Kerry is still facing pajama-clad warriors, and receiving self-inflicted wounds...)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
Actually, I'd prefer to post Gerry Callahan's column, and riff off of that, but the Herald (alas) is now a pay site...
116 posted on 09/17/2004 11:49:03 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Of course this is all just conjecture. At teh beginning, Varitek did exactly what he should have done. Let A-Rod go, but when the threats started, he soes out to get between them just in case... It was the juvenile behaviour on the parts of both men at that point that escalated it...

What threats and what game were you watching? ARod sent at least 4 F-bombs to Varitek and he couldn't get his mask off that quickly in front of his home crowd??? What a girl. Plus, this isn't juvenile behavior - this sport aka's as hardball. Your posts seem to suggest that Little League rules should apply. Give me a frickin break. These are multi-million dollar athletes that know the importance of these games and you want them to read some Book of Manners prior to each game???
117 posted on 09/17/2004 11:51:31 AM PDT by gipper81
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To: gipper81

Uh.... Over-react much? Get a grip. Grow up. Drop dead.


118 posted on 09/17/2004 11:52:40 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (John Kerry is still facing pajama-clad warriors, and receiving self-inflicted wounds...)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

I just got the call. I will be in row E behind home plate. Look for me on TV. I sat in these seats for a playoff game against the Sox and Ann Coulter was two seats in front of me. Big Yankee fan, Ann.


119 posted on 09/17/2004 12:23:09 PM PDT by presidio9 (BOSTON SUCKS!!!)
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To: presidio9

Enjoy the game (I'm not gonna root for the Yankees to win, but you have a great time all the same!)


120 posted on 09/17/2004 12:25:14 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (John Kerry is still facing pajama-clad warriors, and receiving self-inflicted wounds...)
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