Posted on 09/16/2004 2:30:59 PM PDT by dickmc
There may be evidence already out on the net regarding the forgery memo perpetrator that needs to be assessed before people start removing it.
1.
Download the USA Today's http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-09-09bushdocs.pdf There are SIX, not four memos
Then look at the first pdf, see the name Bath?
If you open up a pdf in Notepad and look toward the bottom, it tells you the day and time when the document was created and the version of Acrobat. Neat huh! Considering Adobe's paranoia about counterfeited programs and registration for upgrades, might also say something about the user or serial number?
This tells you when the CBS Memo forgeries were created to a pdf and perhaps something about who did it. Clearly that person had in his custody at that time a forged military document, or at least the scan of one.
Then go here: http://wizbangblog.com/archives/003652.php and read ALL the links.
Then ask yourself: Who knew about bath? ...who tried forging some docs before?
I think Burkett is a patsy, stupid cutout. Anyone stupid enough to FAX documents from a Kinko's from where they have an account is too stupid to have gotten the timeline and contents right.
Particularly look at the timeline comments on the wizbang site and its links, particularly the one named "chronological".
2.
Some of the people involved in the CBS Memos' forgery aren't the brightest bulbs in the chandelier.
The following might be interesting:
Go to the CBS, USAToday, DNC, Kerry, the applicable Anti-Bush 527's, etc. and pull down and save their pdf's in separate folders. Put entries into a spreadsheet of when each forged Bush document was converted. This will tell who're using who's pdfs and who did their own conversion. For example what were the scan times at the DNC, Kerry, anti-Bush 527's. The odds of identical conversion times is astronomical. If not from CBS's or USAToday's time, they probably had had their own version of a FAX at the scan date-time! Also, if this is technically possible: pull down any html headings that tell the times of the hosting entry of that pdf's, jpgs/tifs,etc. of CBS Memos were posted and put into same spreadsheet.
Remarks:
HEY FBI and the other alphabet soups ( AKA Carnivore): Forging of a Military Document is a crime isn't it? Do we have to do your job? have to tell you how to do it?
HEY CBS, USAToday, Coldfeet: Too late, I've got yours.
HEY Adobe or Adobe mole: Does Acrobat have a serial number or user identity buried in your pdf outputs? if so who "scanned" the TANG Memo forgeries?
Have fun someone! Needs to be done NOW before they replace any clues with the CBS pdfs.
Regards, dickmc
It would seem that Rather is getting some good satisfaction out of making the White House squirm and twist and contort on this, so I can't imagine that he showed ALL he was going to show just last night.
Dear CBS News and Dan Rather: THANK YOU !!! Thank you for standing up to the misinformation that is being presented to the American people on a daily basis from the White House and every level of government. As I news junkie, it has been disturbing to watch the decline of journalistic integrity.
I thanked him and told him I was a typewriter repairman and that the doc's looked authentic to me.
We love you Dan, and a large group of us here are rooting for you (we're all Deaniacs....so you know how intensely we feel about cleaning up the media!) I think you are displaying genuine integrity, and it is this we admire above and beyond whatever the final validity of these documents turns out to be. We trust you, (at the moment, ha!) because of this integrity, and so much of America is aching for this right now!
With CBS acting like the only broadcast media with a spine, I'll wager the far right is afraid of what else they may have found. Keep in mind that the opposition seeks to destroy the messenger, not the message. Witness the focus on the authenticity of paper and ink, rather than the information contained.
I truly appreciate the integrity CBS News has shown in covering these recent stories regarding Mr. Bush's National Guard duty.
Here is my take on this....CBS has the originals, Rove sent the fakes to Rather, Rather knows these are fakes, but these fakes are being used to smoke out Rove. I find it strange that Rather would interview the secretary on his program for her to say she thought these documents were forgeries. Actually, Rather asked her more then once about the forgeries, then she mentions a diary. Maybe CBS has the diary. Although the secretary verified the information I think Rather is too smart to know this is not enough after all he has been investigating this for four or five years. I think Rather wants to prove that Rove sent these so called papers to him -- he is giving every opportunity to allow Rove and company to say these papers are forgeries. My impression he was emphasizing the papers were forgeries just as much as the contents. He also knows there are some documents missing -- proof now the WH has more documents available after I don't know how many times, they keep saying they turned them all over but all of a sudden more are found. When interviewing the secretary Rather was very confident (almost smug). I believe he is holding a lot back. Go Dan Rather!
the docs he's allowing to be broadcast probably are fake in an effort to trip up bushco, but I doubt that Viacom's lawyers would let him go to air with bullshit and risk the financial hit to the stockholders. There is too much money at stake to be that reckless. And Rather isn't like the cable-cabal... innuendo, insinuation and speculation passing for evidence... We don't know all there is to know, so it's too soon to be howling about fakes---Rather hasn't tipped his hand yet.
i suspect that these forgeries are, in fact, forgeries. i suspect that they were leaked by the GOP in order to create the belief that CBS is untrustworthy on not only this issue, but any others in which they have criticized the administration in the past. this all just seems way too intentional to me.
Let us know when you are finished, and tell us what you find out.
there are also two sets of CBS pdf's now - they put up some "new" ones yesterday.
Very good ideas! BTTT.
bttt (I downloaded the pdf memos, just to have them, am not good enough sleuth to figure anything out at this point, but I make a mean pack rat....always comes in handy).
Neat! Let George do it.
ModDate(D:20040911230243-04'00')/CreationDate(D:20040909125709-04'00')
Created September 9th @ 12:57 PM, modified on Septermber 11, 2004 23:02 PM.
Just out of curiosity, anyone know what the date/time stamp is on the Kinko's FAX header?
(from properties summary)
Do Kinko's have security cameras? It'd be fun to compare walkins with timestamps...
Yep the have cameras, and the Kinko's Manager has secured the ones in question. (As per an earlier thread).
CBS
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/BushGuardmay4.pdf
Created 9/8/04 9:08:23 PM
Wash Post had them first, or was faster putting them in PDF.
Indicating the PDF creation time isn't significant. CBS had them a day and a half before they made the pdf file.
mark
Now: The key is now whether any of the AWOL nuts, moveon, DNC, Kerry had a DIFFERENT create time.
If they did, they probably had a scan themselves of a forgery paper copy or FAX!!!!!!
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.