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Ex-Guardsman: Probe Gaps in Bush Service
AP ^ | Sep 16, 2004

Posted on 09/16/2004 2:02:11 PM PDT by Leroy S. Mort

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To: Leroy S. Mort

Had Bush not fulfilled his obligation to the ANG, he wouldn't have received an honorable discharge. Why is that the left doesn't get this? (I guess they don't understand the concept of "honorable.")


21 posted on 09/16/2004 2:17:22 PM PDT by My2Cents (http://www.conservativesforbush.com)
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To: Mr. Mojo

What's more scandalous? Bush missing a physical, or John Kerry coming home and stabbing troops in Vietnam in the back?


22 posted on 09/16/2004 2:18:21 PM PDT by My2Cents (http://www.conservativesforbush.com)
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To: Leroy S. Mort

Only one of Killian's children has been quoted publicly on this--and from Strong's formulation I would bet that he wasn't the youngest of the five children. Anyway, before Killian died, George H. W. Bush was Vice President of the US and Killian could well have had conversations at that time with his son about Lt. George W. Bush.


23 posted on 09/16/2004 2:18:52 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Leroy S. Mort
By continuing to claim that obviously faked evidence is factual, one can claim the MSM is attempting to effect the outcome of a national election by being complicit in a felony. Organized crime territory.

I wonder if there's a RICO statute that can be employed here?

24 posted on 09/16/2004 2:21:29 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Leroy S. Mort

Smart move DNC. If there's one thing the American public is just dying to know it's what happened in the TexANG in 1972 and 1973. This Iraq, WOT, Social Security and the rest can wait until Gunga Dan runs it to ground. Don't worry McAwful, this really doesn't make you look desperate, negative, whiny, and irrelevant.


25 posted on 09/16/2004 2:23:42 PM PDT by Dilbert56
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To: Mr. Mojo
"The Dims keep repeating this ridiculous line, as if the electorate gives a rat's ass about Bush missing a physical exam over 3 decades ago. .....especially considering that same electorate had now qualms about twice electing a draft dodger over WW2 heroes."

Took the words right out of my mouth. If the public didn't care about Clinton never serving at all, they aren't going to care if Bush got some preferential treatment or shaved a few hours at the end of his tour. Even if the worst of the allegations were true, the public wouldn't care. It would be a minor "scandal," at best.
26 posted on 09/16/2004 2:25:53 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: markytom; All
From Ronald Kessler's book, A MATTER OF CHARACTER, pp. 32-33:

Reporters who had never served in the military in any capacity would later pick apart Bush's decision to join the Texas Air National Guard as a fighter pilot. The National Guard is primarily a domestic military service, but it can be called to active duty. While there was a waiting list to join, there were four openings for pilots, according to retired Col. Rufus. G. Martin, then personnel officer in charge of the 147th Fighter Group. Most people who joined did not want to undertake the almost two years of full-time training required to become a pilot. Martin said Bush got the last pilot opening.

Bush denied that family influence was used to get him into the guard. After an exhaustive investigation, the Los Angeles Times concluded, "No evidence has surfaced to dispute his statement that neither he nor his father, by then a member of Congress from Houston, sought preferential treatment for him."


27 posted on 09/16/2004 2:26:50 PM PDT by My2Cents (http://www.conservativesforbush.com)
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To: markytom
"My father helped me get my first summer job because he knew the president of a small company. Parents help their children, they're supposed to help. So even if W's father helped him get into TANG so what?"

In the past three years, nearly every fast-food joint on the strip near my house has come to be staffed almost exclusively by Hispanics, and this is an area that's about 80% white. It's clearly a case of friends hiring friends and relatives, and no one's calling for a federal investigation or calling it a scandal. Whether it's good or bad, people get preferential treatment in all sorts of areas because of family connections and people putting in a good word for a friend. It's part of life. And, yes, corners are often cut and people look the other way when friends are involved.
28 posted on 09/16/2004 2:31:01 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Leroy S. Mort

The strategy by the DNC is the equivalent of rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. While it is particularly odious for them to focus on military service from some thirty years ago, they will lose bigtime if they attempt this avenue, since any real focus on the President's NG time will result in a threefold scrutiny on Kerry's post-Vietnam "service" to the US, obviously very damning and quite apart from his active duty time which is fraught with problems. Likely this will put the final stake in the heart of his candidacy. It's debateable whether Kerry has people in charge who want him to win, apparently.


29 posted on 09/16/2004 2:36:31 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: Shethink13

The months in question are June, July, August, September, and October of 1972.


30 posted on 09/16/2004 2:37:18 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Bingo! In fact, unlike the media that has been scrambling for over 4 years to find something on Bush...including using a dead man as their source, they ignored a very living, Col. Eugene Holmes in 1992 who signed an affadavit calling Clinton a liar. If the issue here, as the media describes it, is the credibility and honesty of a president, than why did the media not only marginalize the actions of this draft dodger, but allow him to actually lie about the events involving his non-service in Vietnam.

Clinton wasn't just a draft-dodger, he was a man who lied on at least two occasions regarding his ROTC status...as he deliberately manipulated the system for his benefit. These same idiots who claim Bush got preferential treatment, ignored that Senator William Fullbright worked on Clinton's behalf to get him into the U of Arkansas ROTC as a university student...when Clinton had no intention of enrolling at U of A, as he went off to Oxford and later, Yale. He continued to lie about his ROTC status at the university.

It's amazing to see the fraudulent sources the media is using to try and bring down this president, when they had documented evidence and eyewitness testimony that what Clinton did was much worse. And just as they are doing with Kerry, the media ignored the actions that Clinton was engaged in as our soliders were still figting and dying.

This media that never gave a rats a** about service to this country is all of the suddened concerned about a few months of Bush's service in the NG...at a time when the war was already winding down. They ignore that at the peak of Vietnam...and the four years following, not only was Bush fullfilling his obligations, he was putting in much more time than was required. They ignore that as Bush was still in the NG during this disputed time, Kerry was already back from his 4-month tour of duty and was not only accusing his fellow soldiers of war crimes...he was meeting with the enemy in Paris. It's freakin' unbelieveable!


31 posted on 09/16/2004 2:38:31 PM PDT by cwb (John Kerry: Still attacking Vietnam Vets after 35 years.)
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To: Verginius Rufus; Leroy S. Mort

Gary Killian is the one how has been quoted -- and he was IN the Guard unit with his father. I believe he was an officer.

He also said last night on H&C that Ms. Knox was NOT his fahter's secretary, that she was assigned to someone else and occasionally did typing for Killian.


32 posted on 09/16/2004 2:39:17 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: Leroy S. Mort

Great link! Thanks. I had just been about to post a question about WTF Strong is.


33 posted on 09/16/2004 2:40:45 PM PDT by maryz
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To: MisterRepublican

That's all that needs to be said...


34 posted on 09/16/2004 2:40:50 PM PDT by DanTheAdmin
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To: Leroy S. Mort
Man, are you good!
Bump!
35 posted on 09/16/2004 2:41:31 PM PDT by talleyman (Dan Rather is the love child of Josef Stalin & Matta Hari and James Carville is a space alien - E.T.)
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To: Sister_T
But the public ISN'T concerned about it and that's what bugs you anti-Bush folks, doesn't it??

I'll have you know that, per a Rasmussen poll of yesterday or the day before, fully 16% of the American people think this is important. (They didn't ask, AFAIK, but I'm sure most of them post at DU -- LOL!)

36 posted on 09/16/2004 2:42:48 PM PDT by maryz
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To: Howlin

Don't you just FEEEEEEEL Killian MUST have discussed 1LT Bush with her, though???


37 posted on 09/16/2004 2:48:56 PM PDT by txrangerette
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To: Howlin

That accounts for her remark to Rather that General Killian could never remember her name!


38 posted on 09/16/2004 2:55:48 PM PDT by Carolinamom (FR Truth Squad 24/7)
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To: Howlin

Yeah, he was just on Hannity reinterating that Knox not only wasn't her father's personal secretary, but that there was also another secretary who might know a little bit more. Since these were roving secretaries, it is hard to believe that the Colonel would've confided with her on any type of "personal" information regarding another serviceman. It's not only unprofessional, it's the very thing that can lead to rumors, causing dissention within the ranks.

Killian also gave Hannity another name of an administrative officer who he said Sean should contact since he was much more familiar with his dad than any of these secretaries. I don't even understand what this crap is about since we already do have an official fitness report on Bush...signed by Killian, that dispells all this nonsense.


39 posted on 09/16/2004 2:58:41 PM PDT by cwb (John Kerry: Still attacking Vietnam Vets after 35 years.)
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To: Carolinamom

I thought she meant Bush couldn't remember her name, that he kept confusing her with his "daddy's" secretary; it sounded like a catty remark to me.


40 posted on 09/16/2004 3:02:12 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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