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Amazing visual detail without actually going through that trash and picking up the notes..and then giving 6 copies to USA Today!
1 posted on 09/16/2004 8:01:19 AM PDT by gopwinsin04
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According to several readers, '1LT' is the correct form.

I thought the same thing, but apparantly it's not. 1Lt is correct.

2 posted on 09/16/2004 8:02:28 AM PDT by Huck (What's the typography, Kenneth?)
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The granny Dan Rather had on said the memos used Army designations. Burkett was Army.


3 posted on 09/16/2004 8:03:30 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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That could be the source of signatures.
5 posted on 09/16/2004 8:04:10 AM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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Burkett has already admitted to lying about his involvement with Bush's records. Why is anybody listening to him now?


6 posted on 09/16/2004 8:05:37 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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Why on earth would he screw up on the 1stLT? Because he is blinded by HATE. His HATE for President Bush exceeds any concern he has for TRUTH or our Nation.


8 posted on 09/16/2004 8:06:14 AM PDT by zeaal (SPREAD TRUTH!)
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Bill Burkett

This guy has been in the nut house twice. I'm sure he's seen a lot of things that aren't real.

11 posted on 09/16/2004 8:07:39 AM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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Did this happen before or after he was abducted and anal-probed by space aliens?


12 posted on 09/16/2004 8:08:07 AM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the Rats in terror before me.)
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Don't let Allah In Your House.


13 posted on 09/16/2004 8:08:24 AM PDT by hflynn
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I think the forger was not Burkett, but gave created the memos after reading Burkett's account and then passed them on to Burkett, who had motive to fall for the forgeries.

Here's a post I made to another thread on Monday:

Bill Burkett is the source of the forged memos. I doubt that he wrote them, and he definitely didn't have them prior to the 2000 election, or he would have released them then. Instead, he has been used to get obvious forgeries accepted by the left wing press.

So, my theory is that someone read his discredited story about people cleansing Bush's National Guard records in 1997, specifically about seeing memos that were negative with respect to George Bush thrown in the trash can. Now, this story was widely reported in 2000 and widely discredited by everyone that Burkett mentioned as beeing involved in his conspiracy theory.

So someone decided to "create" the memos that Burkett had mentioned and pass them on to him, knowing that if he delivered the memos, the lame stream press would consider them real because of his stories from 2000. Especially someone as partisan and ignorant as Dan Rather.

Notice the title of the June 24,1973 and August 1, 1973 memos is "SUBJECT: Bush, George W. 1st Lt". Then check out this story from CNN from February 13,2004:

Guardsman says he saw Bush's Guard records in trash.

Specifically, see this quote from the article:

"I glanced down at the top of those documents. In ink was the word 'Bush, George W., 1 Lt.' This was a performance report. I was right at the trash can. I filtered through the top five or six pages in that, and they were all copies and originals of old performance documents and pay records for 'Bush, George W., 1 Lt.".

So now, CBS comes up with 6 memos supposedly critical of Bush. I say supposedly, because they are not really critical in my opinion, but could be spun that way by the Democratic 527 known as the Main Stream Media.

Some not too clever partisan took this one of these media stories about Burkett and decided to help Burkett produce some documents. Given the credibility hits that Burkett has taken over his discredited story, he was only too happy to believe they were real. Given John Kerry's floundering campaign, serial liar Terry McAuliffe and phony Vietnam Vet Tom Harkin were only too happy to believe these forgeries would hurt Bush. Given Dan Rather's total lack of credibility, he was only too happy to help pass them on to the public.

Unfortunately, Buckhead was rightly skeptical from the start, and the MSM couldn't shut down the discussion on the internet.

So, I expect to see some admission in the coming week that Burkett is the source of these memos. Hopefully, someone in the MSM will ask why he was able to produce these memos now, but not when he made these charges 4 years ago or anytime since.

Also, check out this quote from calpundit:

Jim Moore, a longtime Texas reporter (and, granted, hardly a fan of Bush), has talked with Burkett extensively for a soon to be published book titled Bush's War For Reelection: Iraq, the White House, and the People. Moore emailed me that he finds Burkett "immensely credible."

So, who does Dan Rather have on CBS News to prop him up on the fact that the documents are not forgeries? Jim Moore. Coincidence?

15 posted on 09/16/2004 8:10:20 AM PDT by rocklobster11
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ping


16 posted on 09/16/2004 8:10:38 AM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Comrade Hillary - 6/28/04)
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'Of the files that I saw within the 15 gallon waste can were numerous documents which detailed why 1LT George Bush was grounded from flying including a two page counseling statement signed by LTC Jerry Killian.'

Seems to me those kinds of docs wouldn't just be thrown in a trash bin. And how fortuitous that someone who hates Bush just happened to be standing there and notice them.

17 posted on 09/16/2004 8:13:23 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Save a Democrat! Vote Republican!)
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If Burkett is the forger, if he knows the proper abbreviations, and he wants the documents to be believed, why on earth would he screw it up?

Colt 45 malt liquor?

18 posted on 09/16/2004 8:13:39 AM PDT by F16Fighter
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I e-mailed him asking him questions about his inconsistencies.....stating I would report what the findings suggest if he did not respond.

The bastard forwarded it on to his legal team and says to "expect a response from them soon."

Yay. /sarcasm

Nevertheless, this guy is running from the truth. However, I also won't let my paper get sued, so if they threaten me, I will back down.


19 posted on 09/16/2004 8:13:40 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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'Of the files that I saw within the 15 gallon waste can were numerous documents which detailed why 1LT George Bush was grounded from flying including a two page counseling statement signed by LTC Jerry Killian.'

"Counseling statement" is an Army term; I am certain. It might also be an AF program, I don't know. But I do know that it is SPECIFICALLY what it is called in the Army.

1LT is also the SPECIFICALLY correct rank designation in the Army.

Whose trash was being rifled, why, and by whom?

21 posted on 09/16/2004 8:14:47 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Proudly Supporting BUSH/CHENEY 2004!)
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And read this from an article/commentary from August of 2004.

From Bill Burkett (August 25, 2004)... Bush lies about his service, smears Kerry’s and seeks exoneration for the Abu Ghraib brass. NOTE: this is a PDF file.

George W. Bush, you may be the president [sic]. But I know that you lied.

I know from your files that we have now reassembled, the fact that you did not fulfill your oath, taken when you were commissioned to "obey the orders of the officers appointed over you". I know that you not only lied to the American people in 1994, but have lied consistently since then. Mr. Bush, not every serviceman except you is incompetent. When you failed to show up as ordered for duty, they simply recorded the truth. And the truth was, they didn't think you were especially important enough to jeopardize their own careers to cover for your absence by fraudulently counting you as present in any piece of documentation when you clearly were not present.

Mr. Bush, in 28 years as an enlisted man, an officer, a commander and a member of the staff team, I never missed a drill that I didn’t make up. But then again, I was never given that opportunity. It was an order.

Interesting. The phase, "...we have now reassembled"? Quotes ardound the phrase "obey the orders of the officers appointed over you". The phrase, again, "ordered for duty". And, yet again, "It was an order".

The article itself is quite revealing about the depth of hatred this Burkett guy feels for Bush. It's really gross.

22 posted on 09/16/2004 8:16:21 AM PDT by mattdono (Chris Matthew is Zell Miller's b*tch! (and the MSM is FR's b*tch!))
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According to several readers, '1LT' is the correct form.

If Burkett is the forger, if he knows the proper abbreviations, and he wants the documents to be believed, why on earth would he screw it up?

Several of the comments and phrases used in the documents are used ONLY in the Army National Guard.

Think about it this way.

President Bush was in the Air National Guard, not the Army National Guard.
Burkett was in the Army National Guard.
Burkett had a grudge against Bush when he was in the guard.
He didn't know the Air Guard and the Army Guard used the SAME abbreviations for a 1st lieutenant, so he got that wrong.
The proper abbreviation is 1LT for both services.

23 posted on 09/16/2004 8:17:47 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Charter member of the VRWC - and proud of it. - - - Hear BS on See BS.)
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He found them in the trash probably because as forgerys, the real forger was disgusted with his shotty work


25 posted on 09/16/2004 8:20:13 AM PDT by Bommer (“ To be believable, we must be credible; to be credible, we must be truthful.” Edward R. Murrow)
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I posted this on another thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1217612/posts

"...commanders, in touch with Mr. Bush's political advisers, left documents in the trash while sanitizing the governor's service records"

Just an observation, but if in fact one was "sanitizing" records, simply putting them in the trash would be unusual.
Would this not be a privacy violation? Military records are confidential. Did they not have shredders in '97 ?
27 posted on 09/16/2004 8:22:51 AM PDT by lula (plsjr's wife)
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He even noticed that it was a 15 Gal trash can.


28 posted on 09/16/2004 8:24:10 AM PDT by tiki (Win one against the Flipper)
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'Of the files that I saw within the 15 gallon waste can were numerous documents which detailed why 1LT George Bush was grounded from flying including a two page counseling statement signed by LTC Jerry Killian.'

Compare the abbreviation of Bush's rank used by Burkett with the one used by the forger in the August 1, 1972 memo. (1st Lt.)

According to several readers, '1LT' is the correct form.

If Burkett is the forger, if he knows the proper abbreviations, and he wants the documents to be believed, why on earth would he screw it up?

The answer to the question as to why Burkett might have screwed up the abbreviations or rank is that Burkett was in the Army National Guard, if I am not mistaken, during the early 1970s. He then had numerous jobs before accepting a commission in the Texas National Guard to work at the headquarters in the mid-90s. I suspect he was a member of the Texas Army National Guard, not a member of the Texas Air National Guard. (Can anyone confirm this?)

The Air Force and the Army have long used different rank abbreviations for the same rank. Note that Jerry Killian was an Air Force officer whose rank abbreviation would have been Lt Col whereas Bill Burkett (if he was an Army National Guard officer) would abbreviate his rank as LTC.

The current rank abbreviations are:

AF Army Rank Spelled Out

2Lt 2LT Second Lieutenant

1Lt 1LT First Lieutenant

Capt CPT Captain

Maj MAJ Major

Lt Col LTC Lieutenant Colonel

Col COL Colonel

Brig Gen BGEN Brigadier General

Maj Gen MGEN Major General

Lt Gen LGEN Lieutenant General

Gen GEN General

The capitalization is important.

38 posted on 09/16/2004 9:05:00 AM PDT by Lunkhead_01
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