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To: HamiltonJay
Right to keep and bear arms do not trump private property ownership.. private property owner says, sorry you can't have your gun here... Private property owner wins every single time.

There is no right to keep and bear arms on someone elses private property. There never has been. There is no conflict. Your argument is classic strawman.

As to name calling, Insane is appropriate for one who ignores and rejects reality..

Your "reality" is in your own mind.

Please stop the namecalling. It is counter to posting guidelines.

254 posted on 09/16/2004 11:21:06 AM PDT by Protagoras (Free speech is fundamental to a free society)
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To: Protagoras

There most certainly is a conflict. Last time I checked the Constitution says nothing about the right to keep and bear arms is limited to ones personal property or to public properties... in fact, I believe it says "Shall not be infringed"

So taken at face value this "right" grants gun bearing at all times and in all places, which of course is NOT reality... but does this mean the second ammendment is invalid? If you as an individual have an inalienable right to keep and bear arms, then how can ones inalienable right to private property trump it? Oh wait, that's right, these two rights collide and private property rights do trump the second ammendment rights of a person.

The right to a freedom of religion also while explicitely stated does not exist without conflict or limits... some religions 'require' their followers to always carry knives, yet obviously this conflicts with not only private property rights, but also general security issues. And again, Private property rights win this battle every time.

You are indeed ignorant, and that's not name calling, that's just what the word means, of history and law if you believe that rights do not come into conflict, and when they do moral, legal and history define which rights supercede in those incidents others.


263 posted on 09/16/2004 11:37:07 AM PDT by HamiltonJay ("You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.")
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