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Guard Secretary, Flight Instructor Chip Away at CBS Story
Talon News ^ | 9/15/04 | Bobby Eberle and Jeff Gannon

Posted on 09/15/2004 5:58:47 PM PDT by wagglebee

HOUSTON (Talon News) -- Despite repeated assertions by CBS news that documents used in a "60 Minutes II" story to question the National Guard service of President George W. Bush are authentic, more testimony continues to emerge which eat away at CBS's claims. Now, the secretary of former Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, the supposed author of the documents, says that Killian never typed memos.

"He didn't need to. He had me," Marion Carr Knox, Killian's former secretary at the Texas Air National Guard said to Internet reporter Matt Drudge.

Knox added, "I did not type these particular memos. I typed memos like these."

"I typed memos that had this information in them, but I did not type these memos," Knox explained. "There are terms in these memos that are not Guard terms but that are Army terms."

Knox indicated that she is not a Bush supporter, but remembers him fondly because he was always pleasant and respectful toward her.

CBS did not interview Cox before airing the 60 Minutes segment.

CBS has virtually isolated itself by holding on to its assertion that the documents are authentic. Even the experts that several days ago seemed to be giving credence to the reports have now moved away from them.

The network refuses to name its source of the documents and admits that it has never seen the originals. It has instead attempted to retaliate on "bloggers" who originally pointed out the many flaws in the fabrications.

When presented by Talon News with copies of the documents for review, President Bush's Air National Guard flight instructor at the time, Col. Maurice Udell, said that there was "no way those documents are real."

"I've only looked at these documents for a few minutes, but I can already count a number of flaws in them," Udell told Talon News.

Udell said the documents simply don't follow basic National Guard protocol.

Meanwhile, criticism of CBS News continues to intensify. An editorial in the New York Post on Tuesday noted that CBS News and Dan Rather are "digging in their heels -- and just may be digging their own journalistic graves."

Former President of NBC News Larry Grossman told the Wall Street Journal that if the documents are proven to be fake, "it will be a terrible, devastating blow."

"People will be fired, the program loses its credibility and Dan Rather ends a distinguished career with his reputation besmirched," Grossman added.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; bush; cbs; danrather; forgeries; mariancarrknox; seebsnews
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"People will be fired, the program loses its credibility and Dan Rather ends a distinguished career with his reputation besmirched,"

I for one can hardly contain my glee!

1 posted on 09/15/2004 5:58:48 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: Jeff Gannon

Thank you for your pursuit of the truth!


2 posted on 09/15/2004 5:59:41 PM PDT by wagglebee (Benedict Arnold was for American independence before he was against it.)
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To: wagglebee
Knox indicated that she is not a Bush supporter, but remembers him fondly because he was always pleasant and respectful toward her.

This is just too much.

Yesterday Knox said she'd never met Bush!

Which is it?

3 posted on 09/15/2004 6:01:39 PM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 (Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
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To: wagglebee

Just out of curiosity, are there any legal ramifications in the future for CBS, does it amount to some form of slandering? Anything?


4 posted on 09/15/2004 6:02:43 PM PDT by karmichit
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To: wagglebee

Dan should be fired, hopefully, but then He will write a book and make 20 million. What a complete reason to puke!


5 posted on 09/15/2004 6:03:17 PM PDT by MrMarbles
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To: wagglebee

Every expert who has been asked say that these documents are forged. What declaration and by whose authority/testimony will CBS accept responsibility for using false documents to sway voters against President Bush? As far as I am concerned, CBS will never admit that they are guilty of fraud and therefore will always contend that the documents are not forgeries, everyone else be damned.


6 posted on 09/15/2004 6:06:19 PM PDT by caisson71
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To: NavySEAL F-16

where did you read she said she never met bush? do you have a source? figures she'd flip. she's a kerry fan.


7 posted on 09/15/2004 6:07:36 PM PDT by wildwood
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To: NavySEAL F-16

Who knows this whole thing is just getting more ridiculous by the day.


8 posted on 09/15/2004 6:08:02 PM PDT by wagglebee (Benedict Arnold was for American independence before he was against it.)
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To: NavySEAL F-16

" Yesterday Knox said she'd never met Bush! "

Tonight she made it sound that she, as a 54 yr old secretary to their commanding officer was a good buddy and confidant to the young pilots.
In so many words, she claimed that the young pilots told her their innermost secrets and resentments.
Of which she has total recall, 35 years later.


9 posted on 09/15/2004 6:12:47 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue ( When the going gets tough-John Kerry gets going-far away)
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To: karmichit

I would love to see Congress hold hearings and do the same thing to the "news" that they did to the crooked game shows back in the 50's.


10 posted on 09/15/2004 6:15:17 PM PDT by wagglebee (Benedict Arnold was for American independence before he was against it.)
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Son says she was not Killians private secretary, but typed for everyone. So she would not be privy to how his father felt. She also said in an interview and couple days ago....and again on CBS that one of the things about Bush ..he was so polite that I thought he must have wonderful parents to raise such a nice man. Then in the next breath said, He had a bad attitude.


11 posted on 09/15/2004 6:16:54 PM PDT by donnab
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To: karmichit

***Just out of curiosity, are there any legal ramifications in the future for CBS, does it amount to some form of slandering? Anything?***

Mrs. Knox's testimony is HEARSAY and would never be admitted in a courtroom. It's also hearsay that's over thirty years old.


12 posted on 09/15/2004 6:17:49 PM PDT by kitkat
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To: kitkat

AND supposedly by a guy who has been DEAD for 20 years!


13 posted on 09/15/2004 6:20:40 PM PDT by wildwood
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To: wildwood; NavySEAL F-16
She's said she didn't know anything about Bush's actions, that she knew about Bush's actions, and, tonight, that she knew what Killian was THINKING about Bush.

This old bat is like a kid, with a new story every day.

14 posted on 09/15/2004 6:20:42 PM PDT by sinkspur ("Please send me all of your gold-trimmed lace right away"--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: wagglebee

So did they say who the forger is?

And who gave the forged memos to CBS?

This is a Presidential election and it appears that a very serious crime was perpetrated in an effort to skew the balloting.

CBS should cooperate fully with law enforcement.


15 posted on 09/15/2004 6:21:06 PM PDT by BenLurkin (We have low inflation and and low unemployment.)
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This is a Presidential election and it appears that a very serious crime was perpetrated in an effort to skew the balloting.

Forgery of military documents is a federal crime, as is election fraud. They will never say who the real forger is, my guess is some dweeb that nobody has ever heard of takes the fall.

16 posted on 09/15/2004 6:24:42 PM PDT by wagglebee (Benedict Arnold was for American independence before he was against it.)
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To: wagglebee
I see . . . kinda like in The Maltese Falcon" . . .8^)
17 posted on 09/15/2004 6:26:03 PM PDT by BenLurkin (We have low inflation and and low unemployment.)
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To: wagglebee

personally i wondered as i watched it, if SHE was the source of all of it anyway. particularly interesting was her attitude that the memos exist and the facts are represented in the phony memos. THAT was my impression! she brushed off the identity of the forger rather peculiarly, i thought.


18 posted on 09/15/2004 6:28:28 PM PDT by wildwood
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To: wildwood; Wild Irish Rogue
Ex-staffer: Bush records are fake
Secretary to military officer says she never typed the memos

Last week, Knox said she had no firsthand knowledge of Bush's time with the Texas Air National Guard, although she did recall a culture of special treatment for the sons of prominent people, such as Bush and others.

Knox said she decided to report her recollection of the time period to the media after hearing White House press officials say the information in the memos was false.

The White House never said that the memos were false last week. Nothing was said until yesterday and that was by Laura Bush.

19 posted on 09/15/2004 6:30:29 PM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 (Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
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To: NavySEAL F-16

Link, please?


20 posted on 09/15/2004 6:38:04 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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