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Sounds like a plan to me.
VCR is at the ready.
Wouldn't this woman's views be considered hearsay?
Does she look like everyone's idea of the sweet darling grandmother who would never lie?
Hey Howlin...
Ok ya'll help me out here.....
1.I was A Naval Aviator back in the '60s.
2. Back then being on flying status was Volunteer Duty
You could resign your flight ststus at anytime
no one could order you to fly.
3. A flight physical was a prerequisite to maintaining your
flying status.
4. I do not recall ever being ORDERED to take my
physical ..only a memo "Reminding you that your
were in the final month of validity
5. Failure to take your physical would remove you from flying Status until you complied
The punishment was loss of flying pay, and you prob. careered yourself but you couldn't be made to volunteer
Question.....is this the same in the USAF/ANG?
How can you disobey a order that leagally cant be given???
Too late.
I called to demand that they do a story on Kerry's phony report that did not include the dead baby. He transferred me to a number that told me to call during business hours. Does anyone want to call that number above?
Seriously my humble take on this is that even is the documents are forged it is the press's duty to stay on story which are the multitude of lies in GW Bush's military record. If this 86 year old grandma goes on and on about how she recalls waht a rule breaKER, SLACK OFF, AWOL DRUNK NO SHOW HE WAS --ONCE AGAIN THE WH HAS A PROBLEM. Not every independent or fence sitter is going to suck this up and blame Dan Rather...
why couldn't the documents be forgeries? Rovian attempt to get Rather Compared to the rest of the presstitutes, Rather has become a bit of a thorn in the side of the Bushies. Sixty Minutes has also been out in front of the herd of lapdogs. Why WOULDN'T a Rove type set a trap, with faked documents, to try to snare Rather?
I yelled at Dan saying, "Dan, you are my HERO!!!!!!!!!!!
Sure hope Dan-the-Man lobs a THUTH grenade into the whoring cabal of scum
I hope ALL the media in this country is watching this unfold. Dan Rather is giving them a lesson on what reporting is supposed to be.
I am now officially in love with Dan Rather.
If CBS had backed down in the face of intimidation, the bullies would be crawling all over the network's corpse now, and we Democrats would have made another crucial tactical error. We have to defend the truth, even if it is a minor truth. If we give in to bullying, we've lost.
Here's the email I sent: Thank you, Dan Rather, for being one of the last true journalists of courage and integrity remaining on the planet! Those of us who still value Truth over Propaganda respect and applaud you! Please, oh please, continue your efforts and set the example for your fellow "journalists" who routinely cede to the pressures of the Bush Administration and become complicit in spreading their lies and obfuscations. You, sir, are a true Hero! Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Way to go Dan, my respect for this man just keeps growing. I just hope he really has the goods. I suspect he does, but man if he doesn't.......
I have two things to say: 1. Thank you, Mr. Rather; and.... 2. Have you no shame, Mr. Bush? Just answer the questions.
I get the feeling Dan has lived for this moment for years now, he's kept rather quiet, careful not to rock the boat too much. For the last five years, people have wondered, why is he still hanging on. Sometimes he looked so tired. But now, when American is at her darkest hour, Dan is taking off the mask and putting his cards on the table. He knows more sh*t about this cabal, then most of us put together. He has been there since the beginning and he has seen it all.
Could CBS have the originals as well? Maybe they were hoping bush would deny the charges and then they could present the real docs and REALLY hang his ass? This gets more and more strange...yesterday I thought it was a Rove's trick but CBS is not backing down so they must have something to back themselves up. Frankly it looks like they want to force bush co into a courtroom or congressional hearing????
I want Dan Rather to unleash the fury NOW!!!!
The documents could be true in content but unauthentic from the standpoint that they are not the original documents and have been reproduced.
Checking in bump.
The latest chapter in the saga of "Rathergate" is that Lt. Col. Killian's 87 year old secretary, Marion Carr, has come out and proclaimed the documents as forgeries. In making that claim she gives very specific reasons, such as the typewriter used at the time, terminology, and date discrepancies.
The left and the mainstream media however, have ignored this and highlighted Mrs. Carr's claim that while the CBS documents are phony, their substance- that Lt. Col. Killian was under pressure to "sugarcoat" then Lt. Bush's records and cover-up his missing a physical - is nonetheless true. As we will show below, this diversion is a red herring. Unlike the specific reasoning for proclaiming the documents a forgery, her opinion as to the truth of their substance is not backed up by any specific fact.
First, we think all of us can picture someone like her. She's clearly a plucky elderly lady who is sharp and has no trouble speaking her mind. In this case she volunteers, to her credit, that President Bush was "selected, not elected", and that he is "unqualified" for the job. Kudos to her for her honestly, something noticeably absent, especially at CBS. Unfortunately for the left, it's that honesty that proves our point that she has no facts to support her claim of the underlying truth in the forgeries.
Clearly the effect of Mrs. Carr's forgery disclosures on CBS vanishing credibility are devastating. What we're going to show you is Mrs. Carr's belief as to the substance of those forgeries is pure speculation. Herein, we give you the "talking points" to throw in liberals faces when they try to divert your attention from the fact that the left got caught with their hands in the cookie jar.
To begin with there are 2 places that we can find where Mrs. Brooks was interviewed. The first was with the Dallas Morning News.and the second was with Matt Drudge
After reviewing both interviews we have made a list of things Mrs. Carr stated to support her belief in the substance of the forgeries. Below we list her reasons, and show why none of them prove her contention to be anything but pure speculation.:
1. She did type "CYA" memos for Lt. Col. Killian that he kept in a personal file, which was locked desk drawer (Although she said she never typed a Bush-specific memo like the one shown by CBS) - DMN interview.
Rebuttal: Let's assume that she did type CYA memos for Lt. Col. Killian and such a personal file did exist and was kept in his desk drawer. How does she know then, that a memo she never saw (the one on Bush) even existed. She claims that Lt. Col. Killian didn't type - because he had her to do it for him. The only way she would know a Bush-specific document was in Lt. Col. Killian' personal file is if she saw it. She admits she's never seen such a memo, or handwritten notes from which other non Bush-specific CYA-type memos were prepared. Thus, the fact that Lt. Col. Killian may have kept such a file in his desk drawer - something his family vigorously disputes - it is of no consequence.
2. She claims that while the CBS memos are forgeries, they accurately reflect the information in the "real ones" (the CYA-type memos she said she typed for Killian) - DMN Interview
Rebuttal There is no possible way she could know this. Why? Simple - because she never prepared such a document in the first place. She never claims to have seen such a Bush-specific document from Lt. Col. Killian, so how in God's name could she know what the "real ones" contained. She makes no claim to having either seen the actual memo from which the CBS forgeries were made, or any handwritten notes from which CYA-type memos were transcribed. Her conclusion is false simply because the foundation from which it comes is pure speculation.
3. She claims the forged CBS memos may have been constructed from "memory" by someone who had seen Lt. Col. Killian's private file. - DMN interview. She makes the same claims in the Drudge interview, saying that "I GUESS is that someone...got a hold of the "real ones"
Rebuttal: Again, her belief rests on a collapsing house of sand. First, and most importantly, she has no knowledge whatsoever that a "real one" (a Bush-specific CYA memo) even existed in the first place. Notice her language. The memos "may have been constructed from memory" and "My guess is..". These are not words of someone with direct knowledge of anything. Further, she has no knowledge that that Lt. Col. Killian allowed anyone to see his private files where she claims CYA-type memos were locked away. Finally, she admits that she has no idea what happened to Lt. Col. Killian's private file when he retired (which was 5 years after she did). Accordingly, she is simply speculating as to where the forged memo information originated.
4. She claims that the information in the forged memos about Lt. Col. Killian's "dealing with the problem" (of the President missing a physical) is correct. - Drudge Interview
Rebuttal: Again, Mrs. Carr provides no proof other than her word that this is true. She does not say she spoke with Lt. Col. Killian specifically about Bush - or anyone else for that matter - missing physicals. For instance, her belief would be more credible if she said "Oh, I remember one day Commander X called and raised hell about what Lt. Col. Killian did when Bush missed his physical" or that she recalls Lt. Col. Killian having to deal with superiors (or other influential individuals) that contacted him specifically about President Bush. She offers literally nothing specific to back up her claims. She does state the general rules for physicals and the excuses given by pilots for not getting them (i.e. the flew commercially and couldn’t get them immediately), but she does not tie any of this to President Bush specifically, other than that she remembers the "yak-yak" when he was there. What does she mean by "yak-yak"? The contention that he got in the National Guard because of his connections -just as she claims Sen. Benson's son and other wealthy individuals did, or the "yak-yak" about a missed physical and pressure from above? We don't know either, because she doesn't say.
5. She claims that it was General Staudt, not Lt. Col. Hodges that was applying the pressure to Lt. Col. Killian to whitewash Bush's record concerning his not taking the physical. - Drudge Interview
Rebuttal: No one bothered to ask her how she knows this. Did she get a phone call for Lt. Col. Killian from Gen. Staudt specifically about the President’s not taking his physical? Was there a memo from Gen. Staudt to Lt. Col. Killian specific to President Bush? Did she remember Lt. Col. Killian expressing frustration over the pressure he was getting, or mention it to her in any way? No. She simply claims there was pressure, but gives nothing to support that charge, and even says that Gen. Staudt "MUST HAVE" put pressure on Lt. Col. Killian. Note the important words "must have". A person with direct knowledge would have said Gen. Staudt DID put pressure on Lt. Col. Killian. Until she offers something specific, her claim is worthless. Again the Killian family hotly disputes that anything like this could have happened given the good relationship the two men had.
6. We hate to sound like Bill Clinton, but the terms used here by Mrs. Carr are extremely important - specifically the term "This"
In the Drudge interview she claims to have gotten upset when someone from the White House (she doesn't say who) said the information in the CBS documents were lies. She said what made here really excited was that "I had typed documents with this information and because a person like Bush stood out from the others - because of his association with his father". The word "this" is important here because the "this" she's referring to is the Bush-specific CYA memo. However, in the neither interview does she ever claim that she typed a Bush-specific CYA memo, only that she had typed "documents like this". Again the words "documents like this" is crucial. She is referring to typing general CYA memos. At no point does she say "I typed a document specific to President Bush's not taking a physical and Killian getting pressure to "whitewash" the records.
Again, we're not saying Mrs. Carr is lying. In fact she seems to go out of her way to be specific as to what she did or didn't do. It takes a careful examination of her words to determine that while she is very specific as to why the memos are forged, her belief as to the truth of their substance is purely speculation. Try again guys, the next big forgery is just right around the corner somewhere. Better luck next time.
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I'm waitng fro Rather to pay me the million dollars he owes me.
Well it looks like they are going to fight all the way.
Preview:
Secretary: Bush had this campaign to take care of so he wasn't going to follow the rules.
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What campaign? He ran for Congress 20 years ago, but his NG was 35 years ago.
This lady has an agenda--wonder what Rather/CBS are paying her for this interview?