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TEXAS GUARD SECRETARY SURFACES: SAYS CBS DOCS 'FORGERIES', BUT ...
Drudge ^ | 9/14/04

Posted on 09/14/2004 3:50:57 PM PDT by ambrose

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To: ambrose
You can add that Air Force Manual 35-13 had nothing to do with physical examinations cited in the 'May 04, 1972' Memo.

AFR 35-13 is responsible for Military Force Management; DOD Instruction of Special Pay for Foreign Language Proficiency.

Moreover, I would like to point out that AF Manuals (AFMs) are not AF Regulations(AFRs) or Air Force Instructions(AFIs). It's very doubtful that Killian would make such a factual error. No one cites AFMs with In Accordance With (IAW).

Air Force Manuals are used for guidance not general orders.

41 posted on 09/14/2004 4:12:11 PM PDT by demlosers (49 days left until the Kerry campaign is put out of its misery.)
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To: ambrose
"Knox explains that the August 18, 1973 date typed on one of the "forged" documents proves that they were faked. Group Commander Staudt, who allegedly had been putting pressure on Killian, retired in 1972."

"It was General Staudt, not then Lt. Colonel Hodges [who succeeded Staudt], that was putting on the pressure to whitewash Bush. For instance he didnt take his flight examination or his physical."

These statements can not be reconciled somethings still screwed up. The physcial in question was in 73

42 posted on 09/14/2004 4:12:35 PM PDT by bluecollarman (And the 4 mos that he served, Had shattered all his nerves,And left a little rice grain in his ass.)
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To: ambrose

Tag line:

"CBS News: Based on Actual Events."


43 posted on 09/14/2004 4:12:40 PM PDT by Semi Civil Servant (I'm just another pajama journalist.)
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To: Shermy

I don't believe any of Killian's documents were saved in 1984. Why would the clerk charged with dumping Killian's personal files go to the trouble of reading it? And Bush was a nobody in 1984.


44 posted on 09/14/2004 4:13:44 PM PDT by ambrose (http://www.swiftvets.com)
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To: Prime Choice

Dear Prime Choice,

"Sounds to me like Ms. Knox was paid off...but not at a high enough sum."

Sounds to me like she affirmed what we all knew anyway - that the docs were forgeries - in order to gain credibility for her lies.


sitetest


45 posted on 09/14/2004 4:14:05 PM PDT by sitetest (Spitball Kerry for Collaborator-in-Chief!)
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To: ambrose

On a scale of 1 to 10, this one woman's credibility is a 2, while the large group of Swift Boat officers who've signed sworn affadavits has credibility of 10. So who's going to have more impact? Nobody gives a hoot what this dumb Democrat secretary says.


46 posted on 09/14/2004 4:15:44 PM PDT by carl in alaska (Suddenly the raven on Scalia's shoulder stirred and spoke. Quoth the raven..."NeverGore")
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To: ambrose

any possibility that Knox forwarded the memos and is now feeling some heat?


47 posted on 09/14/2004 4:15:56 PM PDT by Frapster (ding-a-ling)
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To: ambrose
My brother joined the AF in 1969. He spent 4 years in the states. He received an honorable discharge.

Was his service honorable? Yes.

Did he have any connections in order to not be sent to Vietnam? No.

There were many who served honorably in the states during the Vietnam war. They have my utmost respect.

A self-serving traitor who served 4 very orchestrated months for future political gain, then sold out his fellow soldiers, DOES NOT have my respect. And that man is John Kerry. He disgusts me.
48 posted on 09/14/2004 4:16:01 PM PDT by LisaMalia (In Memory of Sgt. James W."Billy" Lunsford..KIA 11-29-69 Binh Dinh S. Vietnam)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

This woman sounds like she is trying to disassociate herself from the forgeries & at the same time say that they were a recreation of real documents.

I suspect she was enlisted by the forger to vouch for them to CBS. Perhaps CBS asked her about the documents and she lead them to believe they could be real?


49 posted on 09/14/2004 4:16:33 PM PDT by nvcdl
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To: Shermy
Both Strong and Knox make unsupported assertions, which any bozo on the street can do. Their long ago proximity to Killian, a dead man who cannot speak for himself, is meaningless without independent evidence that he held the opinions they claim he held.

The word of both of them is garbage as far as I'm concerned.

50 posted on 09/14/2004 4:16:51 PM PDT by beckett
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To: July 4th
I just finished law school. I looked at mock trial brief that I wrote 18 months ago, and I honestly couldn't remember writing a single word of it. If it wasn't on my own hard drive, I never would have known it was mine.

I was about to make the same point. It's hard to believe Killian's secretary remembers anything specific on the memorandums she wrote 35 years ago.

51 posted on 09/14/2004 4:16:58 PM PDT by demlosers (49 days left until the Kerry campaign is put out of its misery.)
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To: bluecollarman

#42

She's a mixed up elderly lady, or Drudge's reportage lacks clarity, or both.


52 posted on 09/14/2004 4:17:15 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: ambrose

"Knox explains that the August 18, 1973 date typed on one of the "forged" documents proves that they were faked. Group Commander Staudt, who allegedly had been putting pressure on Killian, retired in 1972.

"To the best of her recollection, Knox explains that Staudt must have put pressure on Killian in 1972 -- the year he retired."

Okay, everyone, did then-Lt. Bush take his physical in 1972? If he did, then she has not recalled anything factual. If he did, then there would be no need to pressure Lt. Col. Killian in 1972.


sitetest


53 posted on 09/14/2004 4:17:32 PM PDT by sitetest (Spitball Kerry for Collaborator-in-Chief!)
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To: ambrose
And Bush was a nobody in 1984.

One small quibble. The son of the Vice President of the United States is never a "nobody."

54 posted on 09/14/2004 4:18:15 PM PDT by beckett
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To: demlosers

Okay, if she typed originals like these with the same information in them then where are they? We still have a murky trail of forged documents, dead main characters and a huge dose of Texas politics thrown in. Burkett may be the source but my money is on Rathers' Democratic operative daughter as the conduit to CBS.


55 posted on 09/14/2004 4:18:47 PM PDT by vigilence
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To: bluecollarman

Dear bluecollarman,

Do President Bush's records reflect a physical in 1972?

If so, then this lady's "recollections" are almost as authentic as Mr. Rather's memos.


sitetest


56 posted on 09/14/2004 4:20:05 PM PDT by sitetest (Spitball Kerry for Collaborator-in-Chief!)
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To: woodyinscc

I wouldn't put it past the DNC to have found this Knox woman and get her to "remember" this kind of memo. When Dan Quayle was selected as George H.W. Bush's running mate, I had to dub a tape of Quayle's television debate from when he was running for Indiana Senator and send it to the DNC. I told the news director I didn't think we should be providing it but he said "do it" because they just wanted to review Quayle's debating style.


57 posted on 09/14/2004 4:20:20 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: nvcdl

Rather has tried to make the point from the beginning that it didn't matter if the docs were authentic or not, that the truth of the story was verified other ways. So here is the lady to back that claim up. They've lost the forgery issue. I think CBS knows that even as they stand by the docs. They have to stand by them probably for legal reasons, but definitely for business reasons. Yet their original missions stands. GET BUSH!


58 posted on 09/14/2004 4:20:32 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: familyop

I think Knox is "unqualified" to vote.


59 posted on 09/14/2004 4:20:32 PM PDT by Rick Boggs (I'm proud my Bushmaster rifle has my President's name on it.)
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To: ambrose

She also said on another post on this site that "he was selected, not elected." This mantra is right out of the DNC playbbok. Now, what is a nice 86 year old lady doing making a satement you would expect to hear from a Democrat operative.


60 posted on 09/14/2004 4:20:33 PM PDT by Pharlap
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