I want to see the originals.
You know how CBS will spin this. They'll ignore her saying that their memos are fake, and emphasize her saying that Killian did supposedly think this way about Bush.
The forged memos also spoke with precise recollection about dates, people and events, and I wouldn't count on them to tell the truth about what happened any more than I trust Mrs. Knox recollection. She says the documents are forgeries and then concocts a story to match them.
Think Danny will stand by the memos AGAIN tonight??
Dan needs to book her tonight as an expert.
At least she gave the relativists a talking point to take a little sting out of the fact that Dan Rather and the DNC have been engaging in election fraud.
Marian Carr Knox, who worked from 1956 to 1979 at Ellington Air Force Base in Houston, said she prided herself on meticulous typing, and the memos first disclosed by CBS News last week were not her work. “These are not real,” she told The Dallas Morning News after examining copies of the disputed memos for the first time. “They’re not what I typed, and I would have typed them for him.”
This is unequivocal. And credible becaue it matches the known verifiable facts.
Mrs. Knox, 86, who spoke with precise recollection about dates, people and events, said she is not a supporter of Mr. Bush, who she deemed “unfit for office” and “selected, not elected.” “I remember very vividly when Bush was there and all the yak-yak that was going on about it,” she said.
Well, she's clearly a democratic partisan. However, she doesn't say when there was "yak-yak" about Bush. I wonder when that was. She needs to be examined closely by a skilled advocate. Beldar???
But, she said, telltale signs of forgery abounded in the four memos, which contained the supposed writings of her ex-boss, Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, who died in 1984.She said the typeface on the documents did not match either of the two typewriters that she used during her time at the Guard. She identified those machines as a mechanical Olympia, which was replaced by an IBM Selectric in the early 1970s. She spoke fondly of the Olympia machine, which she said had a key with the “th” superscript character that was the focus of much debate in the CBS memos. Experts have said that the Selectric, and mechanical typewriters such as the Olympia, could not produce proportional spacing, found in the disputed documents.
Well, this certainly goes a long way to refute the possiblity the documents were done on some special Executive Model D or Selectric Composer. Also, these recollections are consistent with common sense that an ANG office would not have the latest typewriters.
Mrs. Knox said she did all of Lt. Col. Killian’s typing, including memos for a personal “cover his back” file he kept in a locked drawer of his desk.She said she did not recall typing the memos reported by CBS News, though she said they accurately reflect the viewpoints of Lt. Col. Killian and documents that would have been in the personal file. Also, she could not say whether the CBS documents corresponded memo for memo with that file.
“The information in here was correct, but it was picked up from the real ones,” she said.
She said that the culture of the time was that men didn’t type office-related documents, and she expressed doubt that Lt. Col. Killian would have typed the memos. She said she would typically type his memos from his handwritten notes, which she would then destroy.
This is a mish-mash of recollections about procedure (she did the typing, he kept a file) that are probably reliable and speculation about the specific memos, which are not independently verifiable. Again, a skilled advocate needs to determine her basis for her assertions about the memos themselves reflecting real memos that once existed. Why would she have remembered those memos out of many others? Her memory generally needs to be tested.
Mrs. Knox, who left the Guard before Lt. Col. Killian died, said she was not sure of the disposition of his personal files when he died while still serving at Ellington. But, she said, it would have been logical that a master sergeant who worked in the squadron headquarters would have destroyed any such nonofficial documents after Lt. Col. Killian’s death.That man, reached Tuesday, declined to comment. “I don’t know anything about the matter,” he said.
Here is a key fact: she left in '79, before Killian died and therefore has no knowledge of what happened to his files.
In summary, she is a strong witness for the fact these documents are forgeries, but an untested one on the existence of any underlying "real" memos. She also said the memos may have been constructed from memory by someone who had seen Lt. Col. Killian’s private file but were not transcriptions because the language and terminology did not match what he would have used. For instance, she said, the use of the words “billets” and a reference to the “administrative officer” of Mr. Bush’s squadron reflect Army terminology rather than the Air National Guard. Some news reports attribute the CBS reports to a former Army National Guard officer who has a longstanding dispute with the Guard and has previously maintained that the president’s record was sanitized. Mrs. Knox also cited stylistic differences in the form of the notes, such as the signature on the right side of the document, rather than the left, where she would have put it.
I don't want to register with the paper (too lazy right now) but does the article ask her what type of machine she used?
Too bad she's not a Bush supporter, just speaking on a personal level, but since she's in Texas, who cares. It would have detracted from her credibility in the strange and bizarre world of left-think anyway, who will probably still insult the woman and claim she has alzheimers or some such.
As to her reference to documents that once existed. I completely concur. I have said from the beginning the content was not harmful to GWB and once they were established to be faked, it stands to reason they were based on real and tweaked to give spinnability. The disclaimer that they came from Killian's "personal file" was simply to cover the tracks of the real DNC/Kerry Kamp source.
All in all, this is a very interesting find.
This unbelieveably neat little story fits perfectly into the mantra of the Left: its not the nature of the evidence, its the seriousness of the charge. This is unreal.
Right...
Shouldn't that be "Our typewriters were Selectic, not electric"?
Goebbels' Principle of The Big Lie worked for the DemRat Hype/Hate Machine.
Ummm . . . Who can remember ANYTHING they typed 30 years ago? I certainly can't (which isn't to say someone else couldn't). But COME ON . . . She's 86!
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Seems like the only two agencies that don't get that simply reality are CBS and Bill O'Reilly. According to O'Reilly he has no idea whether they're fake or not.
What is up with that clown?
1. Kerry operatives hear stories from the Bush-hating bluehair about comments made about Bush when he was in the National Guard. She probably makes them up or exaggerates a few comments that she heard, because it seems that Bush was well liked and did a good job.
2. They use that information as the basis to gin up some phony memos to file from Killian so they can tie it in to an ad campaign they want to run this fall.
3. They give the docs to CBS, and point CBS to the Bluehair, who can verify that these "sentiments" were expressed by the officers at the time. The Bluehair does verify the sentiments, but they don't show her the documents.
4. Now that the jig is up, they trot out the bluehair so at least they can get some mileage from her (false) claim that officers at the TANG thought Bush was receiving favoritism.