REPORT: Swifties Have Previously Unseen Naval Records Supporting Their Charges Against Kerry

Suppose these docs are forgeries to damage the Swifties case.

John O'Neill is an attorney, all the Swifties are vets.... not only do they have the expertise and knowledge about how to obtain military docs, O'Neill is just too dang intelligent to get suckered by forgeries.

101 posted on 09/14/2004 8:03:15 AM PDT by Tamzee (Free Republic .... Partisan Pajama People)

To: crushkerry; coconutt2000; 2banana; drc43; mnehrling; cj2a; commish; TheSpottedOwl

> PREVIOUSLY UNSEEN NAVAL RECORDS

U.S.Navy Archives. There's 4 cartons of the stuff.
Here's how it developed on the SVBFT site:
http://www2.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=8702

> These are the kinds of things I'd rather have stay a secret.

It's not entirely clear who broke this, but when the
Swifties got there to make copies, an AP guy was
already there.

> They better triple check them ...

The archivists are only letting people view copies,
and steps are being taken to prevent Bergering.

> Why are folks telegraphing the next move to the Kerry campaign?

Because there's not a thing he can do about it?
But basically, the release schedule on this material
is not out of anyone's control.

> ... Kerry does not act well under pressure.

Yep. He might do something erratic, like sign the 180.
All seriousness aside, we may not need the 180 now.

> Seriously, one has to wonder if this was not the
> purpose of the FORGED Bush docs --- an attempt to
> throw doubt on any "Document" that now surfaces.

Any doc from the Dem side is definitely up for question
now, including all the Kerry USNR records on his site.
But the emerging records today are truly unimpeachable,
unlike Rather's source.

> Is it me, or is this wayyyy too easy?

I caught a hint that some archivists had been gathering
Kerry-related materials into one pile, apparently
expecting some press interest.

102 posted on 09/14/2004 8:03:43 AM PDT by Boundless

"Where do they store the unit history files?

Does this mean all the after action reports would be there?

Like the Rassmann incident?"

every unit is required to keep certain types of documents for the unit history files; don't ask me exactly which ones

When military history is written later -- like the big histories about WW II -- they use these unit history files.

Now if you are a unit in the chaos of war and all your officers and NCOs got wiped out, and there is no one to file the AAR -- you might get underrepresented in the official history.

So,it is only as good as the people recording the information at the time and sending it up the chain.

I also don't know where they are stored. Some GSA warehouse somewhere, probably. To the best of my knowledge, it would be called the Unit History File of such-such unit.

It would take time to get another FOI processed; but that would not be necessary because the Swifties presumably have the copy of their FOI and the copy of the DoD sending it to them, so there is a chain of custody and the sure knowledge that it COULD be compared again to the original, so one would be a HUGE CRIMINAL fool trying to mess with it.

Now with a specific action, such as rescuing Rassmann (if I am getting the right event -- I haven't been following all the Kerry stuff) -- yes, it would be there too if an AAR was written on it and the unit saved it.

They prob. got an FOI for the whole unit file for a certain date range, would be my guess; so if it is there, they (SVs)would have it.

103 posted on 09/14/2004 8:04:41 AM PDT by AMDG&BVMH (Proudly served in the National Guard)

To: Tijeras_Slim

"Good advice, but I had to switch to scotch for a couple chapters. By page 40 I loathed Kerry more than Clinton."

So far a couple of good micro brew or glasses of Merlot have been enough for me. It was about page 40 that I went to the photo section of the book. By the end of scanning the photos and the first part of the book, Kerry is now #1 on my list of lunatic libs to loath!

104 posted on 09/14/2004 8:05:02 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (When will the ABCNNBC BS lunatic libs stop lying to Americans? Answer: NEVER!)

Beer? Wine? You better get something stronger, like some 151 proof grain alcohol. There's too much meat to absorb in one sitting, although it won't take a long time. The info about Kerry is really explosive - and believable!

105 posted on 09/14/2004 8:10:12 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More

Geez some of you guys would look for crap in a gold mine and ignore the gold. This was a gigantic blunder by the DNCBS fools. It is NOT a devious, well-crafted plan and will not discredit the truth in any case.

106 posted on 09/14/2004 8:10:50 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (My Father was 10x the hero John Fraud Kerry is.)

The lady who filleted the liberal is one of the most polite people we know. She bought the book on my suggestion and has made several generous donations to the Swift Vets. Her husband was finishing up his Air Force hitch when the hatred of our military went ballistic.

Now she and he know who was at the core of that hatred, John Forges Kerry, as pointed out by "Unfit For Command!"

There are millions of us who fall into that category. We were classified as Nam Era Vets, and we never got close to Nam. However, we were impacted by the left wing street thugs who hated anyone in the military. Thanks to the Swift Vets, we now know that John Forges Kerry was the foundation of that movement in the streets, in congress with his testimony and his behavior after Nam.

107 posted on 09/14/2004 8:10:52 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (When will the ABCNNBC BS lunatic libs stop lying to Americans? Answer: NEVER!)

Maybe the Kerry group will spend time figuring out what it might be and deliver a response to something that wasn't yet discovered.

Heehee! Can you imagine the H*ll that Kerry's senior campaign staffers are going through. THEY don't even know when Kerry is being truthfull. Spinning is the first & last resort because they have to assume every charge made against their guy is TRUE.

108 posted on 09/14/2004 8:11:38 AM PDT by Tallguy (If the Kerry campaign implodes any further, they'll reach the point of "singularity" by election day)

The big difference here is that cbs has forgeries and the swiftboat vets have the real deal. big difference.

109 posted on 09/14/2004 8:11:58 AM PDT by bushrocks04

This is an excellent summary of the arrogance of Kerry and his buds, the MSM Mediots and how they underestimated the new world we are in re the real news:

The problem is, neither Kerry, nor the mainstream media anticipated the power of the Swiftvets, or the ability of the "new media" to quickly reveal the lies in the Kerry Vietnam strategy. They have been absolutely blindsided by an enemy they didn't even know existed, and have no plan B to fall back against. That is why Kerry has no response or gameplan for any pertinent campaign issue outside of Vietnam. He didn't think he'd need one. This was going to be all about his heroism, and Bush's "lack of service". Well guess what John, there have been a lot of changes since 1969, and the latest is that the MSM cannot choose this nation's President. You better not lose Terazza, because she's all you're going to have left after November 2.

110 posted on 09/14/2004 8:13:28 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (When will the ABCNNBC BS lunatic libs stop lying to Americans? Answer: NEVER!)

I have been suspicious about the obviously fake Bush documents. If the Swifties have documents, this is why the Dems started the fake Bush fiasco. They are slinging mud everywhere so that when Kerry's records are released, they can cry "more forgeries."

111 posted on 09/14/2004 8:15:25 AM PDT by Samwise (Kerry's convoluted speaking style correlates with his convoluted thought processes.)

Yeah, but cBS was a news agency :-}

I trust O'Neill, just couldn't help myself.

112 posted on 09/14/2004 8:15:35 AM PDT by snooker

I would love to see his wife dump him, and see this John "traitor" Kerry cleaning windshields on some obscure street corner in Boston, MA where he rightfully belongs!

113 posted on 09/14/2004 8:16:48 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX

Thanks for informing ... It's clear now.

114 posted on 09/14/2004 8:17:15 AM PDT by snooker

To: Real Cynic No More

That is why I'm only reading a few pages at a time.

My Wife, my son and I read at a very fast rate and with books that speed reading rate normally goes into a super 5th Overdrive gear.

I have my self re reading the same passage or section several times, sitting the book aside and coming back and re reading those passages again.

115 posted on 09/14/2004 8:18:53 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (When will the ABCNNBC BS lunatic libs stop lying to Americans? Answer: NEVER!)

You raise a fabulous point---one I had not considered---that this "release" was a plan long-ago set in motion. However, my question would be, "Why did Kerry EVER think that 4 months in Vietnam would serve as a proxy for a PLAN in the War on Terror or an Iraq policy?" Are they that a) stupid, b) arrogant, or c) blind?

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118 posted on 09/14/2004 8:21:17 AM PDT by jmstein7 (A Judge not bound by the original meaning of the Constitution interprets nothing but his own mind.)

"Why did Kerry EVER think that 4 months in Vietnam would serve as a proxy for a PLAN in the War on Terror or an Iraq policy?"

Because it has worked in every single one of his previous campaigns. But they aren't in Massachusetts anymore.

119 posted on 09/14/2004 8:21:29 AM PDT by Rokke

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